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Author Message   Patzerozero Intermediate Member Username: Patzerozero Post Number: 127 Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 7:47 pm:        why a 10 meter radio w/out SSB? for what little i do use SSB, i would still never buy a radio without. and how many hams buy 'em? now, IF it is built that much better than all others, and withstands severe duty mobile use, than it should be the standard all others should work towards matching. just for the end users sake. again, it's been said there is nothing new out there, and that's what we're all looking for. not just a new echo or robot voice, but a real, usable feature. the topgun feature is a start. now let's try to grow from there. as i've said before, the S9 is an AWESOME looking cb, as i suppose the S3 and M1 are, too, but they're still just overglorified cb's. (exceptional ones i do admit) but let's see something new. maybe a more sophisticated receiver section with optimum (for the price) sensitivity and selectivity and adjacent channel bleedover rejection, and possibly a builtin type of preamp. no need to add a channel guard or any mods to rcv-just as S9 needs no mods to xmit, let's have a radio that needs no mods to rcv. how about a vfo type tuner, so we can tune straight thru w/out skipping A channels(it is a ham radio, not a cb afterall, right?) with freq counter only(like 3500), and possibly a channel readout that notes A's,and even counts out of order(21,24,23,25,22 or whatever)so you don't need a 10kc switch, and selectable span like the 3500. back to xmit, the 257-357-457 were a start, or maybe like the ar3500, a factory installed optional amp, no sd1446's, but real transistors, like a pair of 2879's matched to a tuned topgun feature that gets us a variable 200-300 watt output for those of us who need that to drive a BIGGER amp, or just those that want a bit more out than the newer amps using 1446's. the S9 meter is the best i've ever seen on a cb, so they can stick with that, maybe cal for 60db over 9? i suppose all the ideas have been used individually, but why not tie them all into one unit? hey, an optioned out 3500 cost over $500 15 years ago, they could probably sell my ultimate design in that neighborhood today. a base version of my ultimate, or even the S9 with 150 watts would be welcome, too. don't own and never will either M-1 or S3, and i'm sure they're every bit as good as my S9, but i think we're just rehashing the same old stuff again. no new review is needed, just 'different' equipment.   Kilowatt Junior Member Username: Kilowatt Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 1:28 am:        I prefer a radio with SSB, too. However, lots of folks run 10 meters FM and AM. I hang out on 29.050 Mc a lot, myself. I might buy one of these radios just to run on AM. You can't buy a new 160-10 meter ham rig that is really worth much on AM, as they are all low-level modulation schemed. These Magnums have high-level collector modulation and sound great on AM. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth!   Big_l Junior Member Username: Big_l Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:05 am:        Nice post Patzerozero, Mr. Sam Lewis and the people at Magnum state they are all ears ready to listen to customers requests and hopefully theyre are people out there saying the same thing to them that you said. Although they are making progress in the development of newer designed radios ,and yes I own an S3 which I'm happy with, I myself am waitng for that WOW radio which hasn't come, not yet at least.It's not a knock against Magnum ,great products, great people. How many times do customers get phone calls like I did from Mr. Sam Lewis because I returned an RF Limited product back to a dealer, doesn't happen.lol   Tech808 Moderator Username: Tech808 Post Number: 3785 Registered: 8-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:20 am:        Patzerozero, There are a lot of Hams who do not use SSB on 10 meters so the New M-1 and S-3 with AM & FM are great for them. This fills the Gap for those HAMS who do not want to by a SSB rig that they will never use. If a person wants a Radio with ALL OF THE GOODIES then the S-9 will cover this. Sam Lewis is one of the VERY LIMITED FEW IF NOT THE ONLY ONE OF THE MANUFACTURERS that ACTUALLY CARE what people think of his Proudcts. And he will go 100% to help or answer and address ANY Problems that the owners of his products have. And he has even went farther and allows me to issue RA Numbers for ANY RF LIMITED or MAGNUM Product that a Copper Forum Member buys from COPPER should they ever have any problems with them. Lon Tech808   Hatchet Junior Member Username: Hatchet Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:24 pm:        Actually Lon you are quite wrong about the S-3. I have never seen the M-1 but the S-3 will not go in between channels which makes it utterly useless for 10 meters. I suspect the M-1 is the same way. Not much activity on the "regular channels" on 10 meters.   Bob_p Intermediate Member Username: Bob_p Post Number: 462 Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 3:38 pm:        I saw in the review the S-1 can cover 25.615 thru 28.305. So if the S-1 doesn't go to the designated area for FM or AM on the 10 Meter ARRL Band Plan, it really is useless as a 10 meter radio. 28.000-28.070 CW 28.070-28.150 RTTY 28.150-28.190 CW 28.200-28.300 Beacons 28.300-29.300 Phone 28.680 SSTV 29.000-29.200 AM 29.300-29.510 Satellite Downlinks 29.520-29.590 Repeater Inputs 29.600 FM Simplex 29.610-29.700 Repeater Outputs ARRL 10 meter Band Plan http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html#10m This would be great for AM 11 meter freebanders radio except freebanders normally use SSB above 27.405. It's known that AM freebanders go below 26.965 and with "TURBO Digital Echo" it would be a very good radio for AM freebanders use. The bad thing is even if it did cover the 10 meter band I've heard and even read stories on our forum concerning truckers and others swearing and carrying on illegally at 28.085 AM, and I have heard them myself between 28.300 - 29.000 on AM. Definitely disrupting normal communications for that part of the band.   Bob_p Intermediate Member Username: Bob_p Post Number: 464 Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 2:17 am:        After re-reading my post (which I should have done before hand). What I meant to say in a nut shell is the M-1 with it's and band coverage and features which include the "TURBO Digital Echo" would be a great AM C.B. radio. The fact it does not cover the 10 meter band should not be a deterent for those who would consider this radio to begin with.   Tech808 Moderator Username: Tech808 Post Number: 3806 Registered: 8-2002 Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 11:05 pm:        The M-1 Radio Covers From 28.015 thru 28.465 BEFORE the Conversion and AFTER the Conversion it will cover from 25.615 thru 28.305 This Will and Does allow you use of the 10 Meter Band for AM and FM Use if you choose. If any of you who have posted above onwned one you would fully know the coverage of this radio Before and after the Conversion and the Stock Frequency Coverage is on Page 10 of the Owners Manual. Please reserve comments on products unless you have actually used the product. Thanks, Lon Tech808   Patzerozero Intermediate Member Username: Patzerozero Post Number: 133 Registered: 7-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 4:50 pm:        as someone who is not a licensed amateur, i was not making comments on freq coverage of the magnum radios, but more a comment on mode availability. yes i do know hams who use 10m fm, and though NONE of them claim to have ever heard of magnum, rf intl, ar3500, etc, they also have assured me that they would not buy a 10m radio that did not operate ssb. i think where some are missing the point lon, regarding non coverage of freqs was hit upon by my comment on span or step, in that the 3500 and delta and omega have the step switch which allows you to tune by 100hz-1kc-10kc increments whereas the s3 and m1 tune on preappointed 10kc channels preset on the 5's,(again see my comment on vfo straight thru tune w/span/step tuning option), yes you can get off the 5's on these newer magnums, you just have to tune the clarifier off its preset center slot, then when you change channels you need to go back to center and think 'can clarifier go to freq i need from channel up or channel down? where the heck am i now?' but since i use it as a cb, it's not a problem on AM obviously, and when i do talk ssb, i just follow my contact w/clarifier from 27.555 up to 27.560 or wherever we go. by no means am i knocking sam as i have dealt w/rf limited w/my 3500 for many years and always felt him to be fair and honest in his appraisals of each particular situation. the point of my post to begin with was not to knock the magnums, EVERY SINGLE THING in life has something 'not perfect' about it, including these radios, it was that i just felt that something new is needed. the ar3500 was that radio, and though the ic706 isn't all that much more $ than the fully optioned 3500, it does NOT have freebander-approved quality LOUD audio. the 3500 and s9 are louder. i'm not looking for broadcast quality cleanliness, but unclipped unmuffled seriously loud cb audio. understand? the magnums are excellent cb's, i just want a little bit more, and since sam listens to us, i just wanted to say what i feel is wanted. i bought the ar3500 because i felt it was the best out there 15 yrs ago, and think it still is. i bought a delta force w/ the hope that it was better, it was good, but is a bit complicated for mobile use, and i bought an S9 for the same reasons. and yes i do feel it is the best radio out there right now-xmit, rcv, ease of mobile use, and features. so, sam if you are listening, check the opening post here, i will repeat, i am looking for a 150 watt version of the S9, a base version of the S9, a 150 watt base version of the S9, and the NEW ar3500!!!!!!!!