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Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 3:14 am: | 
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does anyone on here have a KLV1000 and a bird wattmeter that they can read the KLV's output on?
i would like to know what the RMS (deadkey) and PEP(swing) numbers are with a 2 watt input, swinging to around 8-10 watts.
and a 4 watt input swinging to over 15 watts.
only a bird or coaxial dynamics meter will do, and a low pass filter should be placed in line between the amp and the meter.
thanks,
matt |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 2108
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:57 am: |
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Hmmmmm...
interesting, no one that runs a KLV1000 owns or uses a bird wattmeter?
what gives!
matt |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1809
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:18 pm: |
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Birds don't come cheap KV. They are also kind of rare, around my town anyway. Lots of your regular cbers have never even heard of a Bird. I doubt I will ever own one myself. |
Tech291
Moderator
Username: Tech291
Post Number: 440
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 8:05 pm: |
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Matt,
at those power levels,if a Bird shows maybe 18 watt pep difference one way or the other over lets say a Dosy or ratshack it doesnt really matter.I relize a purest's need to be exact but the guy on the recieving end of the signal isnt gonna see or hear a difference.All I'm trying to say is power is just a relative figure.
TECH291
CEF#291/CVC#6
KC8ZPJ |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 2110
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 9:05 pm: |
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hotwire, oh i know they dont come cheap, but for the info i am trying to gather; only a bird wattmeter will do.
dennis, if the difference between a bird and a dosey was only 18 watts PEP at the over 500 watt level, then i would not even need to make the distinction of what kind of wattmeter can be trusted.
my contention is that the difference is MUCH more than 18 watts, especially at high power levels.
i believe that the dosey/para-dynamics/workman meters are grossly inaccurate at high power levels, and am trying to find a standard by which to judge them.
that is why i need to know what the reading would be on the industry standard wattmeter. (bird)
the reason i made that statement in my last post was that i believe that anyone who pays that much for a wattmeter probably wouldnt use an amp like the KLV1000.
so to whoever reads this, i am still trying to find someone who can measure the output of a KLV1000 with normal drive power on a bird peak reading wattmeter.
i would hope that the mods wouldnt nix a reply just because they thought the person was lying about the wattage.
matt |
Chad
Senior Member
Username: Chad
Post Number: 1121
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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I can get my nips on a bird and a dummy load, anyone wanna pony up a KLV1000?
Mua Ha Ha HA (again)
Chad |
N8xfj
Member
Username: N8xfj
Post Number: 87
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:22 pm: |
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LOL... |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 11372
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:00 am: |
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Matt,
CLICK on the REVIEW below.
KLV-100 REVIEW
This REVIEW was done with a BIRD 43, Autek WM-1 and a DOSY TFC-3001.
ALL 3 meters showed less than a 10 watt difference from Minimum to Maximum output power between the 3 meters.
This was not a 1 day Review or 60 minute Review.
I spent well over 700 hours on Dummy Load / Bench testing as well as On Air testing over a period of 45 days tested under every condition I could think of before I even started writing the Review.
And now just a few days short of 3 years of use with 3 set's of tubes it is STILL within 10 watts on a Bird43, Autek WM-1 and the Dosy TFC-3001P.
This should answer your Question for you.
And you should know by now that the Moderator's will never NIX a post from anyone who has actually done a Review on ANY PRODUCT and they post their 1st Hand AUTUAL Experience and Knowledge of that product and not just heresay from someone else.
And YES a lot of people who DO use that kind of meter WILL AND DO purchase the KL1000 Amplifier for the very simple reason that IT DOES DO WHAT IT IS ADVERTISED TO DO!
This is from my OWN PERSONAL 1st HAND EXPERIENCE with almost 3 years of use of the EXACT SAME KLV 1000 Amplifier that the original Review was based on.
Hope this help's answer your question.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9CEF
CVC#2 |
Kid_vicious
Senior Member
Username: Kid_vicious
Post Number: 2115
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 11:50 pm: |
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well there you have it folks!
if the bird 43 says 900 watts, then i believe it.
thanks lon. you should state in your reviews that this is the meter you are using. in this case, i wouldnt even have posted this if i had known that.
the part about the mods was just to get a rise out of whoever approved it. LOL yes, i know better by now!
the reason for asking this was looking at the schematic for this amp, and comparing it to another amp schematic i have, that uses TWO 6LF6's driving four 6LF6's, it seemed that the designs were very similar, yet the 6LF6 amp was a 400 watt amp.
looking at the data sheets for the EL519 and the 6LF6, they are basically identical. the 6LF6 has three unused pins so it uses a different socket, but everything else was the same.
juwst trying to figure out how RM italy got an extra 500 watts out of the same ammount of the same tubes.
maybe the 6LF6 amp puts out more than 400 watts. i dont know, i only have the schematic, not the amp.
again, thanks for the clarification,
matt |
