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Capt205
New member
Username: Capt205
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 12:16 pm: | 
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Would like to run one of these with a Magnum S9 on a power supply as a base station. Will either of these work with this radio? If so, what needs to be done to the radio? Thanks |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 860
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 11:57 am: |
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the 1000 would require the swing to be reduced to about 10 watts AM, 20 watts SSB & you should see full output from the amp. you could have done the same thing with a $145 texas ranger 296 & not be 'shutting off' the main features of the radio to do so.
the 1000p would require the S9 to have the power knob cranked all the way up & full swing & MAYBE you'd see 1/3 to 1/2 the power available from the amp.
the S9 is not an easy radio to make work with any amplifier. you must be willing to experiment, A LOT. as noted above, the best performance you get out of an amp used with an S9 will require either the S9 or the amp to NOT run at its full output. |
Thehobo
New member
Username: Thehobo
Post Number: 7
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 1:33 pm: |
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say hey, use the s9 on a coustom amp like a xforce or dave made, they will take the swing as long as you dont volt the amps to high?? like no more then 16 volts, that is if using a mobil amp, if its a base made amp, with either amp, go for it!! lol.. has worked for me for over 4 years!!
thehobo
274150 am
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Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 906
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 4:59 pm: |
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you still can't get FULL max out from them with S9, Thehobo. the ones with built in driver stages require about 35 watts swing or less, so you still have to back mic gain/pep down. the amps with NO driver stage require 20-25 or more watts dead key just for MAX carrier, & 40 watts pep is going to get nowhere near full pep.
use my m400 with grant XL & get 250-300 dead key & 900 pep. with my S9 i get EXACTLY the same output but do turn mic gain to get pep to 32-33 watts BUT power up to 3 watts for 250+ key with topgun on. my 400 only keys about 150 TOPS & swings about 500 with S9 topgun on, carrier 12 watts & swing 40+. the 400 needs 20 watts key to get 250-300 & though they claim it'll take 200+ peak, about 100 peak from my AR3500 gets 900+ swing. 150+ swing from ar3500 gets no more swing & only craps up the audio.
capt205 asked about the klv 1000/1000p specifically with S9, & though it will work fine, it is not a PERFECT match. for the exceptional performance of the S9, it is a tough radio to match with an amp if you are looking for specific output/ampdraw. ALL radios that are NOT standard 4/12 watt or 10/21 watt export types require significant thought & planning before hooking up an amp. 10 ohm smoke shows you got max output, once at least, but it is costly to do it regularly. & tube amps can do some awesome fireworks shows when blown up effectively! |
Thehobo
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Username: Thehobo
Post Number: 8
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 10:01 pm: |
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say hey, i agree with p=o=o, but i thought id offer something that comes close to excepting the s9?? then agin, its how you have your s9 set up, i had mine set to drive most high drive amps, so i dont have to watch modulation to close and get that smell from 50 ohm smoke?? lol. and yes, quite expencive it does get!! sorry i goty off of the s9 thing and the klv 1000'snds!! to use the 1000 klvs with higher swing radios, you have to do some internal work on the amps, and in the long run, the small gain is not worth the extra effort?? but thats another story!!! just trying to help..
thehobo
274150 am
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Capt205
New member
Username: Capt205
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 7:16 pm: |
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Thanks for the input....I have two S-9's one in the truck and one on the desk. I'm looking for a little something extra on the base. Antenna is an IMAX 2000 74'feet high to the tip. In the truck, I have a nice mobile amp that works with the S-9 very well. I have also seen the Palomar and Boomer 500 base amps with the built in power supply. Any thoughts on what to do for more umph with this radio as a base? |
Iluvrf
Intermediate Member
Username: Iluvrf
Post Number: 117
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 8:56 pm: |
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The boomer 500 wont take the power from the S-9. You need something that will take high input |
Capt205
Junior Member
Username: Capt205
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 10:33 pm: |
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I have it set to DK 1.5 watts and swinging to about 50 watts when the variable is turned all the way down, Base radio is setup the same as the truck setup which drives a Palomar Elite 450 HD (4x1446's). The Palomar paired with the S-9 is a strong talking combo. Aren't the 450 and the 500 about the same as far as the amplifier, as they both have 4x1446's. |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 924
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 11:11 pm: |
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the problem is the 40+ watts of swing. it's still too much for most commercially made amps, even high drive(klv1000p is different in that it uses amateur-type design requiring 100w drive, or so, & it's tube...)& even 'standard' high drive solid state amps won't last with 40+ watts swing. you can shut off topgun and/or turn down mic gain to get pep down to 20 watts or less & you should be ok. the xforce 4x2879 base with NO drive stage will work with S9 & get you about 250 key, a GUESS would be in the same ballpark with the 1000p & S9 FULLY on. for the mobile a texas star dx500 is fine & xforce or davemade 4 pill, or 1x4 or magna 4 pill will all work, choice depends on where you spend most of your time, AM or SSB. |
Bigbob
Senior Member
Username: Bigbob
Post Number: 1977
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 6:17 am: |
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My boomer 400 which is the same internaly as the Pal. E. 450 gets hit with 28 watts of swing on AM and is cool as a cucumber 'course a 1.17 swr helps,she gets 38 on ssb for an output of 530 clean and crisp,the am output is 360 and still clear,you'll play heck trying to warm your feet with this combo. |
Thehobo
New member
Username: Thehobo
Post Number: 9
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 8:31 am: |
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capt205, like you i have 2 s9's, one in the mobil with a 1x4 magaforce and one on base with a 2x6 xforce!! after about a years use, both set ups are doing great!! both of my s9's were set to use on the amps posted?
ive got great reports on both while in use!! i diont use them to often as the smaller amps i use seem to do what i need?? lol. one thing thou, is you have to have the 150 amp power supply to use the 2x6 in the house!! i no this is off of the origenal subject, but its still s9 usage and of what amps!! ok, enjoy. |
Iluvrf
Intermediate Member
Username: Iluvrf
Post Number: 120
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 4:33 pm: |
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Does the 1000 have a high and low setting?? Most old tube amps shut the driver off on the low setting. Thus using the radio to drive the 3 remaining tubes. While you wouldnt gain full output, you would have an amp that would last a long time. I would suggest a good power supply and a Texas star 500 or go custom as Hobo has done. |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 931
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 6:05 pm: |
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the 1000 has 4 settings, they both are 4 tube amps, however the non-p model uses a 5th as a driver. that's why i say the p model would be a better choice, not full output, but it should be more then satisfactory.
as for forcing more watts into an amp then recommended-i do it all the time BUT will dissuade my customers from doing so as something always breaks! too many people come to me after pumping 30-40 watts or even a 2 pill box into a 4 or 5. OUCH! i don't like fixing things that I didn't break! especially after i said not to do it.
didn't you tell me once that i couldn't get more watts out then a transistor is rated for? then how are 4-90 watt transistors getting 530 out? might not have been you bigbob, but i'm told such quite frequently and... |
Iluvrf
Intermediate Member
Username: Iluvrf
Post Number: 121
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 6:49 pm: |
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OK, Thanks Pat. I thought the 1000 was a 1x3. In that case then yes deffinatly the 1000P will be a much better choice than the 1000. I would still run a Texas Star 500 or a custom amp and not worry about it. |
