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Deliz2
New member
Username: Deliz2
Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:57 am: | 
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I'VE BEEN TO RADIAO SINCE THE EARLY 70'S. BUT HAVE ALWAYS USED GROUND PLAIN TYP ANTENNA. FROM MY FIRST "STAR DUSTER" TO MY "ANTRON 99". NOW THAT I'M OLDER AND MY WIFE WON'T LET ME CHASE GIRLS ANY MORE I HAVE HAD MORE TIME FOR MY RADIO PASSION. I'VE NEVER HAD A BEAM AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. "UP AND DOWN OR FLAT" WOULD THINK I'D KNOW THIS BY NOW. |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 2569
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:58 pm: |
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MY guess is vertical would be best. |
Crackerjack
Intermediate Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 426
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:25 pm: |
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Here is a recent thread that will help you:
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/discus4/board-auth.cgi?file=/29/72898.html |
Dx431
Senior Member
Username: Dx431
Post Number: 1030
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 1:54 am: |
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Verticle works best locally and horizontal works best for skip. |
Yankee
Advanced Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 509
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 5:34 pm: |
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There's a very old saying between fellow hams. "FLAT IS WHERE IT'S AT". Plus that you don't get all the hash and trash noise that vertical brings in. For many years back home in upstate New York, all I ran was flat side on the PDL-ll on 11 meters with no problems. |
Crackerjack
Intermediate Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 434
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 8:34 pm: |
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Yankee, what was your local operation like? |
Yankee
Advanced Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 511
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 3:04 pm: |
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Crackerjack: I was one of the sideband operators the didn't talk to the locals, or AM because of all the cussing, name callers and trouble makers. Noise toys, multi burst roger beeps and echo that was going on with the locals, when conditions are good you can hear them on channel 23 AM. CB radio was a 24/7 three ring circus in Northeastern New York. There was very little sidebanding in the local area, I talked to a small group of sidebanders around 45-70 miles south in the Albany NY area. My operation here in Oklahoma is much the same with a great group of older gentlemen my age group 40-70 years young, many of them licensed hams, on channel 37 LSB. |
Crackerjack
Intermediate Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 437
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 4:01 pm: |
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Yankee:
Sorry, lets define local. I was referring to my wife in the vehicle at 7 miles, or our missionaries in the area -near the orphanage base station, in Mexico.
We lsiten to certain freqs here and use the radio while these guys are on the road between the office here in Texas an the Mission across the border. "Local" is anwyhere from a couple miles to 130 miles. The direction is a constance.
I meant local, as "near by". We use AM a lot for that, but do SSB as well. I don't care what they are doing on ch-19 either.
I am wondering if FLAT -which gets the farside of this distance, will also service the near side? |
Yankee
Advanced Member
Username: Yankee
Post Number: 512
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 8:04 pm: |
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OK, now that you put it that way, talking local to your wife vertical works great. Now talking over 100 miles and you have the power and the conditions to do it, horizontal on a beam gives you a much better chance to make your connection. With horizontal you can zero in your signal that much closer and you don't get alot of the background noise that you would working vertical and working that distance, sideband gives you that much better of a connection. Yes, working horizontal to horizontal close by is also much better. most of the people in our group on 37 LSB do run horizontal and since I've had the beam up they tell me I've come up 2 S-units, before they came to vertical to talk to me, when all I had was the I-MAX 2000. |
Crackerjack
Intermediate Member
Username: Crackerjack
Post Number: 438
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 9:59 pm: |
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Now, if only I could make an effective horizontal omnidirectional mobile antenna..... |
Patzerozero
Advanced Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 755
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 11:15 pm: |
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hey crackerjack, i cheated & copied a loop design, using different thicknesses & types of materials from plans found in some ham books & mags for my 6 meter base. it's 30" square size would fit perfectly mobile. of course at 30' in the air, receive from stations with beams over 75 miles away is excellent, & they can hear me, too, mobile, well, it is horizontal! i suppose for 11 meters the size would be just a bit less then 60" square-possibly able to fit on an older full sized car or truck. |
Road_warrior
Advanced Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 542
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 8:45 am: |
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I have found that Verticle positioned works
best for local ragchewing.
Horz works best on DX conditions.
If you do both alot, get a beam that has
both Vert and Horz. Best of both worlds.
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
Deliz2
New member
Username: Deliz2
Post Number: 3
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 8:09 am: |
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THANKS ROAD WARRIOR I THINK I'LL TRY A MACO COMET FOR MY FIRST BEAM AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
JACK |
Road_warrior
Advanced Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 561
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 12:39 pm: |
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Yeah, either the Comet or Shooting Star
would be a good choice.
Good Luck!
JIM/ PA/ CEF 375 |
