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RCI 2990
| | Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 1:07 pm: | 
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does copper still have ANY d 104s in stock besides the new silver eagle limited edition? All i really want is a plain silver eagle or a standard ol' D-104.. |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 1:27 pm: |
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Hello??? anybody out there???? |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 6:32 pm: |
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rci 2990 your loud and clear ! but no d-104's except on e-bay and they were a joke. |
Jpatt24
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 6:40 pm: |
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Try Posting in customer service. |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 6:40 pm: |
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RCI 2990 :You probably missed it but last month Copper stated on the forum that they had no D104's left.My local CB shop has a passle of used and rebuilt ones for sale. |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 7:23 pm: |
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problem is all my local CB shops are hiking up their prices well over 50.00 to 75.00 from the prices they were before!!! RETARDED I SAY! 200.00 for a standard silver eagle and 250.00 for the K beep eagle!! If they think someone is gonna pay that kind of moola for a mike they better think again cause' this homie isnt gonna pay that! Ill buy used! I try not to buy merchandise(ill go to them for repairs though) from local CB retailer shops anymore because of the stuff they pull on customers.. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 8:34 pm: |
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2990 have you seen e-bay? hihihihi they THINK the silver eagle is SOILD SILVER well i dont think so |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 8:38 pm: |
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LOL!!!!!!! Solid silver???? O.......K.......
Hmm well i used to own one and from the way i saw it it was metal.. LOL
BTW yes im am a registered Ebayer and i see some of the goofy things the people on there trying to sell stuff say! |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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2990 you'll love this one i saw a add for a d-104 on e-bay the guy says " In great shape i could not get it to work so my wife bought me a new one"
O.....K .... you got to love them for trying. |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 7:21 pm: |
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Darn Bruce ,If I had known my Golden Eagle was solid gold I wouldn't have sold it so cheap. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 7:34 pm: |
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LOL LOL vernonott at lunch today several of us went out on ebay and got a chuckle over the adds
d-104 you can look at the photo and the thing looks like it was stored on a salt water tank one even on the photo the screws were rusted.. but remember " classic and collectable " i love it i have some yard tools that i need to sell... to the same people. |
RCI 2990
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 12:36 pm: |
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What gets me Bruce, is some of those people get big $$ out of the junk they sell! I saw a very bad looking turner plus 2 sell for well over 45.00 once and it didnt even have the sidebar lockdown!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 3:26 pm: |
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HEY !! 2990 like i said lets get together and have a copper forum garage sale everyone chip in the most worless junk and if it works like e-bay we'll all be rich! We got a good laugh at some things we looked at the one that got me was the one " it did not work so my wife got me a new one" HA HA HA so he is selling it.... you got to love them !!!! |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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LOL!!!!! yeah no dought!! Another thing that gets me all the time is sometimes when someone puts up a reserve or a BUY IT NOW price its usually over what youd pay for it in a retail CB shop!!!! |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 5:06 pm: |
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Bruce:Here's the kind of ad I love.For Sale - Galaxy 88,used very little,$50.00.I called this guy and he said he hooked it up backwards,smoke came out of it and he wants to sell it as is.I told him it could be repaired for a song.He said I want to sell it so I bought it ,gave a local tech $15.00 to put a $.39 diode in it and resold it for $175.00. |
BRUCE
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 9:01 pm: |
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DOH ! Sounds almost like a Harry story. Harry a friend of mine in st pete is a retired fireman he hits fleamarkets all the time and has bought about 100 cb radios for me in the last 20 years. About 15 years ago now he ran into 2 rad-shacks with everything even a mike for $1 each. So he buys them for me. I put them on the bench both were dead. So gave a good look and could see one transistor was cut out of each the same part, replaced it and to this day bith radios work just fine.. well what had happen the seller had tried to cut out the audio lmiter and instead cut the buffer for the VCO chain hense no injection xmit or recive. the part about 60 cents. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 9:26 pm: |
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LOL!!!!! Well guys i called my tech and he has a silver eagle for sale for $50.00( he checks out everything before he sells to make sure it works! No sold as is with him!!) so im gonna go that route! The guy usually has just about anything i want and i dont have to put up with getting outbid on Ebay to get what i need!! Heres a goodie!! Saw a cobra 19 plus on Ebay and the seller had a buy it now price of !!!! 75.00!!!! :-( :-( :-( |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 12:08 am: |
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2990 ARC-5 WW2 radios could not be given away 5 years ago no make that 25 years ago they were dinasours well come along e-bay they are selling for HUNDERDS of dollars as COLLECTABLS !!! PLEASE EARTH TO BIDERS hihihi they were made by the thousands for every WW2 fighter and bomber ever flown they are not rare. You know ill bet i got several at my other place ...... hummmmm . |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 12:06 pm: |
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All this talk about Silver Eagle mics reminds me of a Navy surplus rack mount radio I purchased several years ago . Almost every connection inside was silver plated.I guess to keep the salt atmosphere from attacking it. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 8:01 pm: |
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Vernonott that is correct also they used a sticky conformal coat in that type of gear. I worked in defence electronice fron 1977 to 1991 and was inpresed with the care and quailty of what the goverment bought. When i worked for e-systems we built the WSC-3 navy radios they had nothing in them that would rust the MTBF was 100,000 hours and the down time at failure was under one hour. No tubo tunning allowed. By the way they were a bit pricy at 30,000 dollars each. If you look at the ARC- xxx radios from the late 30's to the late 80's the same care was taken now if only cars were built this way. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 9:05 pm: |
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I compare Ebayers to sharks in a feeding frenzy! But c' mon man!! Some of those people are just ignorant!! Ive seen many many bidders bid something up so high its beyond its actual value but i think people do it because of greed, ignorance, competiton and to see how high they can get the bids with absoultely no intentions to pay the seller! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 9:31 pm: |
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2990 you are correct i would like to see how many dont pay |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 7:21 pm: |
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Well mr Bruce, id have to say a lot!!! From what ive seen in the last 6 months there are quite a few of these "run-up-the-bid-drop-out-and-not-pay" guys out there floating around.. :-( Sad.. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 10:46 pm: |
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i lose about 80 percent of what i bid on tonight a low band amp 48 mhz to a bidder who is not even a ham now what is he going to do with it? you see every day just like the d-104's had so much fun with people blindly bidding on things that they dont have a use for. Last year someone had 2/ 400 mhz 50 watt moble radios for sale as cb sets the add stated " we used them between our car and motor home some times a ham would complain that we had on right on there and demanded a call letter " sadly here are 2 people useing radios liiegualy and outright dont care even when they were selling them the infrence was go ahead we did it so can you. This is a major gripe with e-bay i know lots of people dont want regulations and simply dont care whoes channles they are useing but this kinda stuff is why by 1932 we had all the basic laws that govern radio today. No where in the law does it say you must have a license to buy a radio sadly one day e-bay will give them a reason to pass such a law and o yes have a fee for each radio you buy. Cant happen i hope not but look at guns, cars and just about any thing you due to your home scary stuff. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 7:04 pm: |
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I see that all the time(sadly).. But some people on ebay are well, ignorant! Heres a goodie i saw once!!! (LOL gotta love these people on there!!) A guy had a cobra 2000 with the box, speaker, mike, and manual, radio was unmodifed, buy price you ask?? !!!!!!$699.00!!!!!!!!!!!*PUKE and GAG!*** IMHO the 2000 is a nice cool, looking base but all it is inside is a lowly 148 GTL! Id NEVER EVER give over 300.00 for ANY 2000 even if it has the stupid box and the radio was like new!!!! Saw another goodie!!! Browning MK111 complete set(TXer and RXer and mike that was IT!!), with box and banana mike... !!!! Sold for !!!!!!!!!$$$1200.00!!!!!!!!!! old 23 channels are not worth it to me.. Hell they are illegal to resell in a shop anyways!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 11:16 pm: |
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2990 23 ch radios are illegual to sell at any level even personal sales but lets me not get going on that again. Old AM ham radios 6 meter gonsets old 2 meter comunicatior sell for 100 dollars or more SHOW me a am net on 2 meters? The last one was in new your city and it was run by WB2ZKS who moved to up state last year and all his checkins had died by then. As for 6 meter AM (50.4) well i monitored that frequency 24 hours a day for over 5 years and only once did i hear somone on AM and sadly he was yelling BREAKER! BREAKER! geezz . The list goes on and on. One man was selling a voline 465 cb illeagual as hell if you fired that thing up in most cities you would shut down GMRS over a wide range it was a modulated osc GASP! but ok in the mid 1950's. You are correct gread and stupidy are the game i collect christmas seals and have been collecting them most of my life i do bid on them on e-bay but it sometimes irks me to lose a bid to some one who has bid it up over cataloge only to see the same seal put back out by the winner at 2x catalog within a few days.... not this boy i know what they are worth.... worst case a book with seals going back to 1907 they were licked into the book pages GASP! making the collection near worthless it sold for 156 bucks in good condition they would have cataloged for about 125 o well PT barum was right about suckers
bruce |
Harpoonman
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 1:22 pm: |
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Hello Folks!
Well, As some of you may know, I do a fair amount of eBaying, and yes, you have to be very careful, and yes, I see a lot of silly auctions out there with many ridiculous claims and way out of line asking prices.
For example, I see the word "vintage" used all the time in conjuction with various radio equipment. The word seems to be extremely popular among those selling older microphones, particularly the D-104 lately. HELLLOOOO! "Vintage" refers to WINE and the year in which it was produced!! I realize that the English language is rife with words that once had a specific meaning or reference, but have been "expanded" to mean or be used for anything similar. But, using "vintage" to describe radio equipment sounds absurd to me. I think "antique" is a far better suited term.
Also, I look over the music sections on eBay periodically, and like to see what is selling in the used harmonica arena. Harmonicas or "harps" is another avid interest of mine (harmonica is sometimes referred to as "harpoons" in certain circles...thus, since I play them, the nick "harpoonman"). Anyway, I once saw a simple Hohner 10-holed diatonic Marine Band harmonica for sale on eBay and the seller included in the description, "the cover plates indicate the manufacturing date of 1896"! Either this seller was stupid or ignorant about this brand of harmonica, or was truly using false advertizing. He appeared to think the "1896" on the cover plates meant the year it was produced, thus the seller could command big prices for such a rare, collectable item! The 1896 refers to the founding of M. Hohner company, and was and still is stamped on ALL Marine band harps! Geez!
I also recently saw an eBay auction for a chromatic harmonica (a Hohner Chromonica #270) that supposedly belonged to John Lennon. The Chromonica #270 is just an ordinary, run-of-the-mill harmonica that was made by the millions. But the seller, who appeared to be a professional group that regularly purchases items from the estates of the rich and famous, thought that the #270 indicated its production number or order of manufacture!!! The claim that this was John Lennon's harp may have been true, but indicating that the instrument was # 270 of a limited production was outrageous. These folks had NO CLUE as to what they were talking about when it came to this particular item! Unbelievable!
EBay can be a great source of many things for both sellers and buyers, but it really brings home the old addage "Buyer Beware"!
Harpoonman |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 7:55 pm: |
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Harpoon your right on now would you like to buy a strativeras harmonica i got it on e-bay for a meer 1 million bucks
bruce
PS the seller told me it was owned by morart |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 4:11 pm: |
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Bruce.
I know 23 channels are illegal to sell but from what ive seen that rule is pretty much ignored to heck and back.. I see them all the time on Ebay, in radio shops, garage sales, and at flea markets and all over for sale... |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 8:35 pm: |
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2990 correct i did not say that the fcc put any efford into inforcement unless you cause problems but still it dosnt change the law... stupid law for one reason if they WERE ok who would bother with one? Thet made people think somehow ther were better than the 40's and thats not true. See i trying to get people to think and research not follow urban miths. By the way all per 1978 cb sets are banded even the nice old tube sets that should have been grandfathered since type acceptance for them was allowed when the 23's came out. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 8:14 am: |
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I dont understand WHY some think the older 23 are better than the 40s!!! Kinda like choosing a ford model A over a mazarati!LOL!! But even if they are illegal people still use them and ill bet you half of those that are still in use the owners probably dont know that they are illegal. Anymore in our society i think people just dont care about rules an regulations on the CB bands. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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2990 thats the problem people are so use to making the rules they cant understand sometimes you got to follow them ( remember i work at a jail )CB is a joke to most people because so many have never read the rules and few understand why the rules are in place last week i mention that one reason the fcc opened the new channles to cut down on freebanding by simply having more space well the freebanders simply moved up in frequency now with 2950 dx they are going over 6 mhz and DEMANDING these frequencys sorry but the track record dosnt help that cause. Show the FCC you can follow rules and they MIGHT have some chance of getting more space but tell them to kiss and they will act just like we would and thats where it stands |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 1:40 pm: |
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sounds like a mess to me. A never ending battle.. somedays i think about getting out of the hobby altogether due to all the BS that goes on.. I guess i could get into model trains or something like that!!! LOL!! |
Mr_Rf
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 3:41 pm: |
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HEY Bruce...guess what? We have a 6 meter AM net in VA that meet every Friday night on 50.400MHz. We have distant check-ins from U.S./Canada almost everytime the band is open and regular check-ins from N.C. Guess it's just where u live.
73
Mr. RF |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 8:50 pm: |
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what time???? and when did it get started |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 9:27 pm: |
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Mr rf find me a contact and ill set my old fathfull ft-620 back up !!!!! i't been waiting a long time for some other AM radio to talk too
bruce |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 12:40 pm: |
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Guys.
Went to a hamfest today to see if i could find a D 104 or a silver eagle and a power supply.. No luck!! Found a few other things but they were wayyy overpriced. I found a 50 amp power supply i kinda wanted but no way was i gonna pay $160.00 for it in the cond it was in!! You guys ever go to hamfest and see stuff way overpriced? i though the deal was to sell stuff to sell and get rid of that you either no longer want or to trade!! Most of the hamfest i go to most of the guy seem to want to make a killing off their stuff!!!! |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 2:54 pm: |
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bruce.
heres something else i saw today on ebay thats ridiculous as he**!! Uniden Madison SSB/AM base stock, with speaker box, never modded, in fair cond with a few scratches about a 7 or 8 on a scale of 1-10 Buy price $285.00!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE NUTS!!!!!!!!!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 7:21 pm: |
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no the buyer is by the way CB is not the only place on e-bay where IQ is non exsistent the last time i looked at christmas seal listings the AVERAGE price these yokles were paying was 2.5 times catalog .. astute byers ! |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 8:36 pm: |
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RCI2990:I agree with you about nuts,but always remember what P.T.Barnum said. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 9:08 pm: |
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P.T. Barnum dint he say there a EEI customer born every min.???? |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 9:19 pm: |
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"A sucker born every minute"!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!
IMHO those people that buy that overpriced crap on Ebay are the losers. Wait till' they decide to resell those items and they cant get what they paid for the stuff!! HA! HA! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 7:32 am: |
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hey 2990 would it hurt your feelings to know i tossed out 45, 23 ch radios last year and with in 2 months had seen all of the same models selling on e-bay.... HELLO PT ARE YOU OUT THERE ???? |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 5:36 pm: |
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No feelings hurt here. you know how i feel about 23 channels! |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 5:39 pm: |
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Bruce;
Saw a 23 channel robyn 540D sell on Ebay for 125.00 once!!! I wouldnt give you a nickel for one!! Theres a guy in Ohio that i know that has a radio shop. He has old 23s for sale BUT with no mikes!!!! LOL!! He figures he can sell them legally with no mikes for parts only!! |
Skullman
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 6:22 pm: |
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You know Bruce, for I guy that's hardcore about rules and regulations, and a high and mighty ham, you sure spend alot of time on CB subjects.
What exactly are you tring to accomplish? Ham is a self policing band, if you think quoting FCC laws will clean up the band you are sadly mistaken. The way I see it the airways are like the old west now a days, it's every man for himself. The FCC can't control it nor do they care.
Now before you get on your high ham horse, I hold an extra class ticket. I passed every test and deserve my rights to the air. Guess what? It's extremely boring because of the people who think knowing morse code makes you smarter than the average bear.
If you want to talk radio, fine. But please, throw away that FCC rule book you copy out of, because the FCC, nor the Boogeyman seem to scare anyone anymore including myself.
I don't mean to ruffle any feathers here, just had to say it. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 8:58 pm: |
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Skillman i didnt quote fcc law i mentioned something that i upfrount said " now i caught hell for saying this" because we were talking good and bad buys in radios. I encourge people to read for them selves.I have tried to answer questions and advice as do many other users of this forum and my e-mail is open to all who want to contact me as many do .. yes i answer them. Very good on the extra you know one of these 20 hour days of mine ill have the time to open the book and study for it but right now work keeps me too bussy to do that and as for code... GASP ! i love to lissen to it but being tone deaf im not real good at it even with a tone bandwidth prosser. My distain for the lack of inforcemant is no secret on all bands yes the users have a need to clean up there own but they are not paid to do it. O by the way im not into class envy i dont remember ever telling what class of license i hold with the exception of my old 1st class now a " general radio telephone" but i do respect thoes who have applyed themselfs and got the gold ring well done.
bruce |
bruce
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2990 without mikes is not leagual either yea i know stupid but were having fun with stupid things. I wasnt kidding i tried to GIVE away boxes of 23 ch's harry the fireman had bought me for 20 years for parts and a few might convert for 10 meters but a 3foot cube box of them got too much so to the curb the went with a sight FREE CB RADIOS no one took them so much for e-bay |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 8:53 pm: |
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LOL!!! Somedays it seems there are more 23s out there than 40s due to the flood of radios from Japan in the mid 1970s!! But i myself had a 23 base once and when we were having spring cleanup here (I live in the midwest! UGH! I hate winter!) i stuck it on the junk pile and someone took the darn thing!!
BTW got a silver eagle today from my tech and well, its a junker! Bad head, gain pot on bottom is stripped out and doesnt work and some idiot rewired the inside of the mike! Why guys have to rewire the guts of a mike is beyond me but its as stupid as someone screwdriving the insides of a radio!!!!! I called him and he apologised and will give me a mike that does work! The poor guy works almost 12 hours a day at his regular job and gets so busy he dosnt have time to check stuff out.. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 9:41 pm: |
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2990
NOTHING FROST ME WORST THAN DISRTOYING A GOOD PRODUCT. You know as well as i do that there are some real buchers out there the diabetas has recked my eyes i need a BIG lense when working on the radios ect that we do out at the jail it gets hard working on some things handhelds are realy bad but i manage. People bring me things all the time and sometimes the results are a gass. One guy brought me a rad shack that he said simply stoped working..ok .. its happens so i droped on my bench when i got home poped the cover and TOAST from the power connector to the volum control. What the heck could have hit this?
Well he got the bright idea to give it more voltage by pluging it into the wall by useing a old shaver plug ( yes they fit ) into the 12 volt power plug. O by the way page 4 paragraph 7 the radio must be permantly disabled... the selling the mike trick will not fly yes i snuck that in
bruce |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 1:05 pm: |
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Yeah i know!! I HATE when someone gets inside a good working mike and rewires it instead of rewiring the damn mike plug itself!! That is just plain lasy and ignorant! Then the poor guy that gets the mike second hand has to pull hair out of his head to figure how the damn thing is wired!!!!!
But today (im off work for jury duty!) i went to one of my local shops and bought a good used Astatic night eagle and a SSB head(10-Dal) and they both work excellent!!!! But im still going to get that dud Silver eagle replaced and i hope this time my tech checks it out before he gives it to me!!
Oh BTW i asked my tech if he knew it was illegal to sell 23 channels and use them and he wasnt aware of it and hes been on the air since the mid 1970s!! I dont think he really cares thats all....... |
Funtimebob
| | Posted on Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 1:18 pm: |
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I bought A silver Eagle at auction a while back that had the head loose at the stem. And I have come to the conclusion that the most dangerous phrase on E-Bay is
I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE SO BEING SOLD AS IS.
Oh well, I Did win a DAL-50 Bullet head to mount on it so it should sound pretty good on SSB. still gotta clean the cobwebs out of the bottom 
hopefully the amp isnt fried..... |
Cuddlebear
| | Posted on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 4:14 pm: |
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Question:
Forgive my ignorance, But why is it illegal to sell a 23ch radio? If the FCC ok'ed them back when they were new. Why are they not ok now? Again. my apologies for the ignorance here. |
Funtimebob
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 1:24 am: |
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probably due to the fact that they changed the maximum legal power from 5 watts down to four |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 5:00 am: |
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cuddle i can answer that because
1) all 23 ch sets that would be leagal would have had to meet current requirments for 40 channle sets
2) None Did
The OTHER hidden reason was the MANUFACTRS did not want MILLIONS of used sets on the market
Somewhere i have a letter from the FCC on this
and by the way this applys to all sales at all levels even personal sale and all used sets.
Bruce |
Cuddlebear
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 2:34 pm: |
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Ahhh, ok.
Well I guess that answers my question. However, I don't see why they couldn't require the unit to be tuned to 4 watts like any other rig. But as for the manufacturer's complaining, Yea. I can see that. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 9:43 am: |
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It has nothing to do with 4 watts it is because most 23 ch sets are junk and the FCC needed to get them off the market. If you were say Radio Shack and now 200,000 of your 23 ch sets were out there for 10 bucks each and your tring to sell for 49 bucks you would want thoes off the market too and that was part of what happened. I get tired of the urban legin about the 23 ch sets are better BULL JUST BULL all you have to do is look at how well a good 40 ch set does and compair it to a 23 and you will see that the 23 ch sets not all just dont stand up. Again ALL 23 ch sets are ILLEGAL ALL of them. I been through this a number of times i dont make the rules the FCC did it was there call.This is the man if anyone feels im wrong his name is gary and he is with the FCC engineering dept E-MAIL ghendric@fcc.gov
Bruce |
Insider
| | Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 12:42 am: |
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I know the feeling about bad eyes there Bruce. My peepers are, I think 20% efficient, give or take some. Oddly enough, I find that the BIG LENS often makes things worse. Sure it enlarges, but I find the distortions created in the configuration I use to make it effective more annoying than the lack of size/detail. One of these days, I'm going to burn my nose off with the soldering iron, or I might go crazey from all the lead first.
As for the size of the components in modern electronics, all those SMTs. Recently I took the covers off my FRS radio, there were areas on the board where the only way I could tell if there were components or not was by running my fingers across it. Though, ever since I was 4 or 5, I was bit by this RF bug and it's gone down hill from there.
Here's an e-bay story for you. Cobra 2000, cosmetically appears good, has had channel mods, variable power, ect. Sold for over $300.00. Only known problem: "was hit by lightning."
Shame those D-104s are discontinued. I have a Knight K Eagle. I've had it back in its box for the past several months as I'm in the process of reorganizing my radio gear and moving the station from the first to the ugh, third floor. I was thinking of using it again, but maybe I'll leave it in the box for another two years and then sell it on ebay.Anyone think I'll be able to get about 3-4 hundred for this fine piece of classic American engineering and craftsmanship? |
Sarge
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 6:34 pm: |
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Actually the old FCC regulations for type-acceptance of the 23-channel CB radios specified 5-watts of input power to the final amplifier stage. This method of RF measurement was the norm back when radios had tubes.
When the FCC finally updated the regulations to match the use of solid-state radios, they went with 4-watts output power, as measured at the antenna connector on the back of the radio. A simple way of measuring RF output power.
Most of the older 23-channel radios, while meeting the 5-watt input requirement, actually only had about 3.5-watts of output power. Input power and output power cannot be compared - they are different.
Radio Shack continued to use the outdated "5-watt" reference in their advertising in an attempt to mislead buyers into thinking the Radio Shack CB's had more power. They were all 40-channel type accepted radios with the same 4-watt max output.
Even Midland has tried this trick on some of it's CB radios. Claims of "7-watts" are printed on the box. The fine print identifies the "7-watts" as being audio power. This is great if you have a noisy truck and need a loud speaker volume to hear what is going on. But it has nothing to do with RF output power. The radio still puts out the same 4-watts as all the others do.
Let the buyer beware... |
bruce
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Sarge 100% correct but there is more to the story remember there were 7-10 MILLION 23 ch cb sets out there in 1977 well if you were hygain would you want that many used sets? So the FCC was upgraiding standards and the companys wanted protection from this used market this is why ALL 23 ch sets were outlawed ... i disagree since some were well made and any ban should have only applyed after a reasonable continude use/sale time say 5 or 10 years. What they did is cause the industry to colaspe with everyone tring to dump 23 ch SSB radios for 25 bucks and AM cb set for 10 dollars when the 40 ch hit at 199 and up who would buy them ? The law was blanket and still applys long after most of these sets were expected to have died a nateral death
Bruce |
Orion
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 6:09 am: |
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The Silver Eagle D104 will return. I've bought andsold at least 4 in the last ten years. Had to have the night version, then the SE version, then the regular... whatever, call me a dynamic person. Its your average business gimmick. They've laid off a few workers becuase of economic concerns, or, they just want to increase profits without increasing production, who knows. They take their classic D104 say its going to be d/c'd and get $200 a pop for "collector's edition". Suddenly, all anyone hears is "oh, sure... the D104 was king of the hill. Can't get those anymore" Then out of no-where comes "Due to demand we are re-releasing the ORIGINAL Silver Eagle!" But instead of it being $80-100, it'll be about $125. And people will buy the then known as legendary D104 faster than they ever did. Simple logic dictates this because Astatic could not be as stupid as this discontinuation suggests. Its actually a smart move on their part. Harley Davidson pulls this •••• all the time on their motorcycles. They limit production on purpose so that a Sportser 883 with a $6000 MSRP goes out of the showromm for about $8000 and the guy who buys it has to wait 3-4 months to finally see it arrive. Mics, Bikes.. whatever, business is business and trust me when I tell you the D104 is coming back (unless of course they are in the process of going out of business)THen I'd say drop the $200 on the collectible. In fact, buy one to keep in the case and one to use. Best damn mic ever made. |
Hitech
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:19 am: |
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Take a look at the new Silver Salute, everyone I talk to with it thinks it is a D104 but sounds more natual. Nick 189 WV |
Bob
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Anyone looking for a D104 I have one for sale. It is a brand new TUG9. It has a small spot where the chrome plating didnt take near the top of the stem.As a result of this defect I'm only looking to get $90.00 for it. If interested email me at rs318@comcast.net and I'll send you a pic.
Thanks
Bob |
Orion
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 3:01 pm: |
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Not sure if anyone is still checking this thread, but it seems I was way off thinking the SE D104 would ever return... a pity. I've considered the idea of buying a bunch of the collectibles adn locking them away for 20 years as an investment but the way things ae going with cell phones, the internet and instant messaging I can imagine the next generation saying "CB radio? What's that stand for?" And there I'd be in a room full of new mics with no one wanting them. |
Jon666
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 9:51 pm: |
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looking for a silver eagle head.
any idea,s |
Nlmadog
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 11:49 pm: |
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Call Astatic customer service for parts..Got Ebayed myself and went to Astatic...bought a brand new head..45.00,bottom felt,screws,mike cords...Got all my D104's like new...Can't get a Night Eagle to round out my collection..Bought three on EBAY think I would learn returned each one. Yep that line "Do not know anything about this stuff" is a dead give away. Prices are out of sight.Picked up a brand new Final Edition from a CB shop for 120.00 in October price is up to 225 now at the same place.Did get a Golden Eagle in the box off Ebay for 80.00.It was one of the few decent buys I made.Bought a "mint " ! 1011D ,arrived with no tubes and no transformer,seller said." I bought it at a garage sale and that what he told me" I got my money back from that bozo!!! Done with EBAY !!! |
Highlander
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 9:25 am: |
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I bought one of each model when I heard they were to be discontinued. Gonna sit on them for a while, and see about selling them in a few more years....If I can stand to part with them. |
cliff (Unregistered Guest)
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Help I'm trying to find out what a new in the box diamond eagle is going for. I'm cleaning out my closet and planning to off some of my stuff
thanks. |
Tech808
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Username: Tech808
Post Number: 2634
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 11:36 pm: |
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cliff,
It may not be a close guide but check e-bay or yahoo auction's to get a rough price guideline of what they are going for.
Lon
Tech808 |
Oldpirate
Junior Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 31
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 3:20 am: |
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Has Astatic stopped making the DIO4 or is it just a temporary supply problem, if so what is the power mike that comes closest to the performance of the d104, not really interested in noise cancelling. |
Dindin
Intermediate Member
Username: Dindin
Post Number: 245
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 10:14 am: |
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Oldpirate,from what I have been able to find out the D-104 line is oficially out of production.the nearest replacement is the silver salute,looks like a shortened d-104.the reason astatic gave me was the molds for their die cast parts were worn beyond cost effective use. |
Dodgeman
Member
Username: Dodgeman
Post Number: 72
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 10:25 am: |
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Oldpirate look at the Super Star Silver Salute mic that Copper sales. There a review of this mic in Subscriber Preview then go to product reviews an read about it. |
Oldpirate
Junior Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 5:27 pm: |
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Thanks Guys, what about the hand power mics like the d104 m6b & d104 m6c are they still in production.
Murray |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 1333
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 6:21 pm: |
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Yepp i've got 2 D-104's one in the glass case both never used on my ham station im using a MD-100 very nice but a decated mike made for the radio i'm using it on. |
Hollowpoint445
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Username: Hollowpoint445
Post Number: 81
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 3:29 am: |
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Astatic still produces the handhelds and Copper has them for sale:
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/checkitout/checkitout.cgi?catalogSTORE:CKIE:prodA70-05116+
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/checkitout/checkitout.cgi?catalogSTORE:CKIE:prodA70-05010+
I'm not a big fan of the D104's myself, mostly because folks seem to turn the gain way up and talk at arm's length. You hear more of the kids and TV in the backround than the person talking. No microphone is intended to be used that way, and they all sound poor when used that way.
If you want a great base mic get yourself a Turner+3. They have some compression and sound great. The compression really helps on SSB.
How do you like the MD-100 Bruce? I've got a MC-60A and love it. Of course, I also like the MC-85, MC-80, and all of the Turner microphones I have too.
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Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 1337
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 2:48 pm: |
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I LOVE the md-100 too bad my radio cant use all the feaures it has very clean sounding mike |
Heavy_chevy
Junior Member
Username: Heavy_chevy
Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 9:18 pm: |
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Why is it illegal to sell 23 channel radios? I have heard this alot over the years, but it makes no sense. Sounds like another stupid law that our government has passed to me. What does it matter? |
Heavy_chevy
Junior Member
Username: Heavy_chevy
Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 9:24 pm: |
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MODERATOR....sorry....I jumped the gun before reading further. I found the answer. I still think this law is aa perfect example of bad law. |
Bruce
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Username: Bruce
Post Number: 1985
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 9:59 pm: |
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Heavy....
It IS ILLEAGAL to sell or use 23 ch cb radios as of 1978. As of 1978 a new type acceptance was adopted and VERY few 23's could make the grade.
SOME saw it comming and built there radios to meet the new standard and be UPGRADABLE to 40 ch's Hygain was one who did just that. Also if you had a bill of sale for the radio showing you bought it before the cut off you could continue to use it BUT NOT SELL IT. And it goes on and on ...
As I stated it was partly to get rid of many badly made radios and protection for the manufactures of these sets since there were about 10 MILLION 23 ch out there and the dealers didn't want that pile of used radios driving prices down.
Bottom line if the FCC walks in your door and finds you using a 23 ch set it's just as illeagal as a linear. |
Ak3383
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Username: Ak3383
Post Number: 53
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 5:40 pm: |
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I bet you couldn't pay the FCC to come to your house to confiscate a 23-channel radio. I imagine if you call the FCC and tell them about an illeagle 23-channel radio being used or for sale they would hang up on you or call the guys in the white coats. I think my 1962 Brownings make the grade. |
