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Madog116
New member
Username: Madog116
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 8:19 am: | 
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I'M GOING TO PURCHASE AN AMP. WHICH IS AMP PERFORMS BETTER IN THE 600 WATT RANGE. I'VE HAD A TEXAS STAR BEFORE AND LIKE IT, BUT AM ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER. THE FATBOY AMPS I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUT LOOKING FOR SOME GOOD ADVICE.
THANK YOU!
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Hotwire
Advanced Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 702
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:37 am: |
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I have a DX 500 and love it. Texas Star are good amps and a good buy. Fatboy on the other hand are custom built and supposedly way better. You can run much higher voltages to a Fatboy with its copper board. |
Skip
New member
Username: Skip
Post Number: 4
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 2:23 pm: |
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I own both and texas star makes a very good product. I will also say that fatboy will take more abuse and still run well. I mean more drive and more volts texas star won't take that. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1938
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 1:21 pm: |
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a 5 pill TS vs a 5 pill fatboy-you'll see BOTH more PEP & RMS swing on the fatboy, & it will SAFELY key probably 50-100 watts more.
that said, i will NOT knock texas star, because, even with some 'lightening up' over the years, they still put out a fine piece of equipment...ties to galaxy notwithstanding  .
unfortunately, where their price has gone up a bit & customs have come down, the customs may just be a better deal. still, nothing wrong with texas star. |
Sparkomatic
Intermediate Member
Username: Sparkomatic
Post Number: 372
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 10:21 am: |
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Texas Stars are good amps but dollar for dollar the Fatboys are a much better deal.
Just one look in a competition amp and you'll never go back to stock amps......EVER. |
Hatchet
Member
Username: Hatchet
Post Number: 90
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 1:34 pm: |
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Depends what you want to do with it. If you are going to talk strictly Am then I would highly recommend the Fatboy. If you are going to talk SSB then go Texas Star. The Fatboy is C biased and is not very clean for SSB work. The Texas Star will suit you better for SSB work |
Sparkomatic
Intermediate Member
Username: Sparkomatic
Post Number: 373
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 3:41 pm: |
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The fella that builds the fatboys can B bias one for SSB. True, using a C bias amp on ssb results in a very poor sounding audio. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2081
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 7:41 pm: |
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so will x force, even though they build already-class-b magna force amps, & davemade will as well.
let us NOT get into this again, but my class 'C' davemade is used on the SSB net regularly, & i really can't remember anybody saying it sounds bad...in fact 'amazing audio quality on SSB' as quoted by a reliable member of this forum. in fact, never had any complaints about my class 'C' 2 pill or 8 pill dave's either. BUT, if you don't want to take the chance, yup, for a few extra bucks, the builders will B-bias 'em for ya. |
Motes7
New member
Username: Motes7
Post Number: 7
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 9:03 pm: |
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I have the X-Force 8 pill and an x-force 200, I also have a few other 2 pills & 8 pills of other brands that are not of competition grade, like the x-force,dave made, fatboy's are. I stick to my x-forces over all my others, whether they be Texas Star, Palomar, KLV or anything the like.
I use my X-force 2 pill more than I use any of my other amps. Have thought several times about selling everything else off.
Good example, on my Dosy meter for instance, I tested my X-force 2 pill on 2 different radios against my Texas Star EX350 and my Palomar 350 Skipper, which all 3 have 2 SC2879 transistors in them, max PEP out of the Texas Star or the Palomar on my Ranger 2985 were no higher than 200 watts, out of my Omega Force they got about 250. My X-Force 2 pill 200 HD got 300 watts PEP off the Ranger, and 400 watts off the Omega Force, all were only driven with 4 watts RMS from both radio's
WTX-241
CEF# 952
West Texas Rebel
28.285 AM
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1200ri
New member
Username: 1200ri
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 1:41 pm: |
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Put a low pass filter in front of the watt meter and you will see what the true output is.Most unfilter amps are putting out a lot of junk which will fool most watt meters.I have tryed it with Davemade,Fatboys,Xforce and texas star.The best amp was the blue face palomars ,skippers, corbas internal filters.I had a Xforce 200hd putting out 400 watts and put a filter behind it and it was maxing out at 300 watts!100watts of harmonics. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 4078
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 7:16 pm: |
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adjust the 'swing' output in the 'rms' or 'avg' mode until the swing stops increasing. THEN switch to PEP & see what you have, THEN keep turning it up-that last bit is usually the 'junk' that a low pass filter would be blocking. |
Sparkomatic
Intermediate Member
Username: Sparkomatic
Post Number: 425
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 10:16 am: |
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1200ri I understand your point of view about "Ghost watts" but explain this.
At a local keydown in the stock 4 pill class 2 competitors were using Texas Star 500V amps and they keyed 6 times without a winner even after switching sides. Both were driving their 500s with Davemade M80 2x2290 drivers. They ended up getting beat in the next round anyway.
They had a grudge match after all the classes keyed and one of the boys borrowed a magnaforce 600 4x2879 from their buddy and the two shot out again.......the one who swapped out their Texas Star for the magnaforce cut the other fellas radio off.
Apparently the wattage difference was not ghost watts but on frequency watts.
Absolutely no slam on Texas Star amps and they are fine clean amps but not in the same league as Class C and B amps ghost watts and all.
Of course if my neighbor were to run a mobile amp on a power supply for the base, I would pray it wasn't a Class B or C amp! |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 4130
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 3:50 pm: |
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the magnaforce class 'B' is 'less linear' then the texas star class 'AB1'. a REAL, CLEAN, 'linear' amplifier should amplify the WATTAGE and not the audio. if you listen to a quality amateur radio amplifier, you'll usually notice the audio stays relatively the same with the amp on or off, just the signal strength changes. most CB amps amplify EVERYTHING, watts, audio, harmonics, hash, trash, etc. the magnaforce fits THAT category even more then the texas star does.
many other variables can cause the same result, but that is probably the biggest part. |
1200ri
New member
Username: 1200ri
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 4:34 pm: |
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The Texas star was not made to be driven that hard by 2x2290.By design 1x2290 is a little much for the 500.If you look its feed wires and fuses hold back the amp.Also check out the transformer sizes.Texas Star did not set out to have their amps over driven.They are great amps for what they are.The Magna force and all the other comp. style amps are made to beat on watts and drive. |
Chico
New member
Username: Chico
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 6:20 pm: |
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so fatboy is better? |
Dale
Senior Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 1512
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 9:50 pm: |
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again depends on what u r driving it with
and mode.
if am mode fatboy
if ssb texasstar
howerver also depends how hard ya drive it
2995dx=fatboy if used on am.if ssb then texas star
texas ranger,uniden,cobra =texas star
hope this help.if not what radio and mode ya using i can probaly help ya
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
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Ak3383
Member
Username: Ak3383
Post Number: 91
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 9:38 pm: |
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Texas Star for all applications. |
Sitm
Intermediate Member
Username: Sitm
Post Number: 349
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 5:05 pm: |
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I am always surprised that people think because their class c amps are blasting five channels each side of their intended broadcast channel, that they are getting out.
A class AB amp will show less because it isn't producing harmonic splatter. |
