| Author |
Message |
    
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1549
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 12:55 pm: | 
|
hear he's building an even STRONGER version called the excalibur, at $500 it ain't even an option...
HOWEVER, talking with a RELIABLE source in CT last nite, on a newly installed mr coily enforcer, at a distance of at least 60 miles, with ic706 & no added power, his signal on SSB on my ic735 increased from non-movement of the needle to a swing of S2 on my meter vs an imax. he went from NO COPY to 'readable' on AM. he claims MY signal in his receive did almost the same on SSB, but i was still not copiable on AM(running only 25w carrier).
imax is still up, about 10' higher then mr coily, & claim is that there is more noise present on imax, & signals are harder to copy...all pieces were marked as to where to attach, no measurements were needed to be taken & antenna was together in less then 10 minutes with swr's lower then imax at 'no movement' on diamond sx100 on ch 15.
if i didn't know this person, i'd still be laughing. i tried to accuse him of turning on the amp, but he was not amused. at this point...i ain't replacing what ain't broke with a $250 vertical, but, wasn't dan supposed to get an enforcer for 833/copper to test???
i am intrigued...not enough to buy, but still intrigued nonetheless |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 769
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 9:36 pm: |
|
Tell me more, tell me more, I would buy something that much better and easy to put together.
mikefromms |
Crazy_d
Junior Member
Username: Crazy_d
Post Number: 11
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 12:08 am: |
|
I have the Coily .64 Enforcer now for 2 months at a height of 25ft at the base. Setup was simple, all the peices were marked and I get a 1.1:1 match from channel 5 to 40. It is about 1.2:1 or so on ch 1-5.
I can vouch for the exact same results as your test. I also ran a Imax 2000 w/GPK at the same height as my coily. There were stations 60-80 miles away on AM I never knew where there until I put the coily up. Also, my 4+4 Gizmotchy beams cannot copy these signals as good as the coily enforcer. I am putting about 2 s-units higher on my local radios and their signals are coming in 2 s-units better as well. It is like having a imax w/gpk with now no static noise, a preamp on, and a 2pill box on all the time. This is how good the coily enforcer is. The best thing is that it pretty much took care of any TVI I had.
I now receive and transmit alot farther than ever, eliminated TVI and best of all, eliminated that annoying static from the Imax. Two thumbs up on this antenna.
The Excalibur is better for higher wind areas, the enforcer is really good for about 80mph, I was told they perform close to each other. Any other questions please let me know, you cannot go wrong with the enforcer!!!! |
Cornbrown
Junior Member
Username: Cornbrown
Post Number: 26
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 2:18 pm: |
|
I also use a Coily Base Enforcer Antenna and it is a very good performer in my humble opinion. If I can hear you in radio land.... I can talk to you.
I would very much like Copper to test the Coily Base Enforcer Antenna and post the results here. |
Cornbrown
Junior Member
Username: Cornbrown
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:39 pm: |
|
Your comment is noted, but I for one would like an unbiased, professional test done by Copper. You are claiming a fiber glass Antron 99 stick out performs The Excalibur .64 Wave aluminum ground plane antenna??? hummm I don't know about that....I would like to hear what Copper says. |
Magnum410
Member
Username: Magnum410
Post Number: 57
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 1:46 am: |
|
I wouldn’t mind trying the Enforcer. I have actually heard allot of good things about it. |
Tech833
Member
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 96
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:29 am: |
|
Let me clear a couple of things real quick.
1. Copper does make a 'better conductor' for AC and DC systems. However, for radio frequency power, Copper and Aluminum are no different except in velocity factor perhaps. RF travels over the surface of a conductor, not through it.
2. The coil in Mr. Coily's base antenna is MUCH smaller that the coils inside an A99. Your argument about a coil making the coily antenna perform worse than an A99 is invalid.
3. a .64 wave antenna vs. a 1/2 wave antenna is not enough to make 2 S-units difference. In fact, less than a 1/2 of an S-unit.
I believe you did see the results you report, however I also believe something else is involved that you are overlooking. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1563
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 5:24 pm: |
|
with NO changes at the connecticut location, which still has both antennas as they were last sunday nite, SOMETIMES the imax signal & receive is better, sometimes the enforcer is better, sometimes 1 is better on receive, the other better on transmit....the ONLY consistent results are that air-static seems to be non-existant on the enforcer & non-stop on the imax, AND the enforcer DOES appear to show BETTER performance at night when the band is dead quiet. at this point he plans on leaving both up & switching between them as conditions dictate. speaking of conditions, the only dx he's talked with it this week is west indies on 27.515LSB & has observed NO DIFFERENCE in transmitted signal strength between antennas. receive differences have not been noticeable. |
Wrk3
Member
Username: Wrk3
Post Number: 72
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 5:34 pm: |
|
YAHHHHHHHH |
Tech833
Member
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 99
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 10:02 am: |
|
I will try to tackle one of these at a time.
"My question to you is: Have you had an excalibur across your bench, or are these assumptions made from looking at his pictures? "
I have not had one on my bench.
"Something I am overlooking? Please give me some more detail to this thought? "
There are lots of things that can be overlooked like site reflections, cable rotation vectors, weather, ground moisture/conduction, humidity, etc.
"I spoke with Coily on the phone to work this out, and after inspection and making sure everything is exactly how he stated it should be it was still out performed by the A99. "
Performance can really only be measured on a range. It is difficult to explain, but let's say the A99 has a higher takeoff angle than an Enforcer. In this case, the Enforcer might be stronger than an A99 at 20 miles away, but the A99 could be stronger at .5 mile or on DX. Takeoff angle has a lot more to do with your signal strength then overall gain.
"I am assuming you meant .64 wave and not 6.4. Also, the difference he is seeing in 2 s-units was taken with the Enforcer over the prior antenna he tested. Nothing to do with the Excalibur. However, it is hard to say if the rx end was calibrated properly to the 6db per s-unit standard? "
Yes, I meant .64 (as I typed above). Even without a calibrated RX, the difference between those two antenna should have hardly been noticeable. Somehow, the takeoff angles were apparently much different.
"So all in all I beleive it is well built, but as far as I could see it is not all that great of a performer. "
You cannot truthfully say that until you have had them on the test range and measured the inherent losses (matching and feedpoint loss). It is also not accurate to say that until you have accurately measured and modeled the ground effect on each design to find out how much effect imperfect ground has on each takeoff angle and you have compensated in the installation to keep the takeoff angle the same for ground wave tests.
Pat-
The takeoff angles are obviously different. |
Duck246
Member
Username: Duck246
Post Number: 79
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 2:53 pm: |
|
Actually Tech,
We took the take off angle into mind. We actually have a lot of base stations in the area, measuring from 1 to 60 miles away as the crow flys. All of these people who use these base stations saw a noticeable loss in signal. Now, the area in which we live in is very consistant as far as the altitude of the ground is concerned. Now as far as humidity, moisture,conductivity, and cable rotation vector goes im sure they would of all changed since the antenna has been put up over a month ago and also changes with the new piece of feedline we placed on it just yesterday. None of the change in weather conditions or replacing the coax has made any difference on the receiving ends of our tests. If it's takeoff angle is at such a point where it increases your signal at more than 60 miles as the crow flys, they this antenna is most likely useless to cbers unless they like long distance ground wave. Who knows when it starts to perform well? It coule be 70- whenever. If thats the case then just put up a beam with horizontal polarzation and call it good.
I beleive that somehow his coil is the issue here. I don't know if it is extremely lossy or it's just a poor tuning design, but I think it's where the main problem lies. Because his name is Mr. Coily you know hes going to put a coil on everything.
Where do you ever see a coil on an antenna where the ground radials and the coil are both "hot"?? By hot I mean that RF travels through them. Can you shine some light on that? |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1575
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 5:57 pm: |
|
thankyou, paul. & he is leaving both antennas up for now, since switching between 'em gives different results, this way he can go with what's best at the time.
as i said in my 1st post, 'i am intrigued...not enough to buy, but still intrigued nonetheless' |
Tech833
Intermediate Member
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 104
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 1:56 am: |
|
Hi Duck246.
Previously, you posted: "I spoke with Coily on the phone to work this out, and after inspection and making sure everything is exactly how he stated it should be it was still out performed by the A99. "
I have just had email correspondence with Mr. Coily and he informed me that he has never spoken on the phone with you, or anyone regarding an A99 outperforming a Coily antenna.
Further, Mr. Coily also informed me that if you were to have trouble with your Coily antenna, he would offer a full refund. I do not understand how your post could be as you stated. I need some clarification please. I would really like to help you, but unless you are being completely truthful, I don't know if my comments can be of any help at all. |
Crazy_d
Junior Member
Username: Crazy_d
Post Number: 12
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 9:05 pm: |
|
my coily enforcer is about 2 s-units better on RX/TX than the Imax/GK I had in its place, many people recorded what I that were receiving me with on their meters. I have two a99's here locally within 1/4 mile away at the exact same height as my coily. These individuals also run a straight 4 watt dead key and they all have good swr's as well. People have recorded me at around 8 S-units on their meters off in the distance and they record the others in my close proximity at around 5 1/2-5 3/4-6 s-units. I have even had my wife key down when I was about 5 miles in the distance and I had a nice gain over the A99's and many others as well. This is just my personal experience, again, and only speak the truth. I can hear stations that are 80-100 miles out at the fringe that I couldnt before with the Imax because of the noise and hash and trash it used to pick up. I never in my life talked that far either until now. I am very happy for the improvement by just changing out the antenna and not even going any higher (yet).... I cannot wait to get this coily up around 35-40ft at the base of the antenna.
Thanks, crazy_d |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 1630
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 5:50 pm: |
|
friend in CT was relayed what has been posted here. he took his old penetrator out of the barn & has it reassembled & tuned at 6' off the ground. when the monsoon rains cease here in the northeast, he plans on replacing the imax with the penetrator & seeing if there is any difference there.
the enforcer still seems to outperform the imax hands down at night or when band is especially quiet. when band is noisy/during day, he doesn't see a noticeable difference. atmospheric noises/static seem to be less at all times on the enforcer, TVI is non existant at under 50 watts, high power overloads front end of tv's & stereo, neither antenna makes any difference in intensity of interference.
it seems to lean towards the 'amazing performance' posted here & on mr coily's website, but it is not consistant...not reason enough to spend $250... |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 788
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 12:28 pm: |
|
The best thing for all of us probably is if what you have is working and doing an excellent job for you, it won't be worth the money to change antenna to gain perhaps a half s-unit unless you go beams. I have to watch myself about jumping on the bandwagon of every new gadget that comes along.
mikefromms |
Tech833
Moderator
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 1065
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 10:44 am: |
|
Experimentation yields knowledge. Without experimentation, we would all be dumb. I believe any and all truthful observations should be shared and discussed so we all learn from it. Whenever FACTUAL findings are shared, I am appreciative!
Mike, your adventures with your Thunder8 and your Top One made good reading. Your experiments were of benefit to many people and you may never know how much. Without your experiments and reporting, some of us would have never had any barometer for the Thunder 8 performance or usefulness.
I say, keep it up, but restrict discussion to facts, keep feelings and opinions out of it. If you have a white lab coat laying around, put it on and pick up your clipboard. Have some fun and share it with all of us! |
Mikefromms
Advanced Member
Username: Mikefromms
Post Number: 792
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 1:36 pm: |
|
I try to be objective. I try to see the good and the bad in anything; yet, I can be opinionated at times. One thing the reader must keep in mind when reading any report of this product verses that product is there are many, many variables that can affect testing. For example, the Thunder 8xb or any antenna with wires should not be placed in the top of a pine tree where limbs can get in the wires. That doesn't make the antenna a bad antenna but the location a bad location. I have a chance to get that antenna back and it's tempting to tune it and put it on my tower, but for now the Imax 2000 is going up there.
The Imax 2000 with the g/pkit delivers for me on both transmit and receive. Plans are to finish the install of the tower and antenna today. I will spread the ground radial out more horizonally (advise from tech 808) and put this wonderful antenna on top of my 100 ft plus tower. I should be close to 50 ft higher than I was in the pine tree. I will ground the antenna at the antenna with a length of copper wire to a ground rod at the base of the tower. A reader reported that this took care of his noise and tvi, although I do not expect noise nor tvi. Right now, I do not see any justification to replace the Imax with an antenna that cost 3 times more. I can't see where it would be worth it, but I must admit the description of that antenna did sound tempting.
Happy cbing to all...
mikefromms |
Road_warrior
Advanced Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 875
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 9:21 pm: |
|
Our radio meters are not 100% accurate thats
for sure. But, most of us thats all we have
to measure the differences between antennas.
So, seeing a 2 S-unit difference between the
above said antennas on a radio meter is normal
to see. It may not be accurate, but, thats what
shows up on the meters.
|
Oldpirate
Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 90
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 3:26 am: |
|
Hi Guys, I have just installed a Coily .64 Enforcer base and got a pleasant surprise at the increase in performance. I wanted to move my Shakespear Nbs 2010 to our beach house and get something that would produce less TVI. On the Shakespear I had reduced tvi to a minimum but never totally eliminated it.
The Enforcer is mounted with the top of the antenna at just under 66ft from the ground with a 3 element yagi attached to the same pole. 30 minutes work had the antenna all assembled.
First SWR reading was just under 1.2: 1 so I decided to quit while I was ahead and leave it alone.
I have always been skeptical of manufacturers claims on gain and S meter improvement but when testing to a site 40 miles away with my Kenwood I found that I was hearing at least 1.5 S units better and the same improvement when I was txing, this was more than I expected but the most pleasant surprise was no TVI even when txing
with a slightly over driven Palomar Elite 450 amp. Stations that could be heard but were unreadable are now a lot easier to understand.
Murray |
Airplane1
Advanced Member
Username: Airplane1
Post Number: 662
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 7:14 am: |
|
I would like to see pics of peoples Mr Coilys mounted. I hope people post them in the picture area of the forum. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2241
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 10:01 am: |
|
coily is not making the enforcer anymore. he combined the technology of the enforcer & excalibur into 1 too-overpriced-antenna to consider at this point  |
Im4jc
Intermediate Member
Username: Im4jc
Post Number: 115
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 1:49 am: |
|
NYC to L.A ground wave? That's 2800 miles. Never heard of that before. Didn't know it was possible. |
1200ri
New member
Username: 1200ri
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 7:51 pm: |
|
$500 for the coily ground plane?Too much money.Buy a Maco v5000 or a IMAX and a M-104 and still have money in your pocket. |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1305
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:08 pm: |
|
1200ri, Your right! 500 dollars? HECK! call Copper and order the S-9 NITRO and an Imax and have money left over for shipping! |
Marconi
Advanced Member
Username: Marconi
Post Number: 653
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 8:08 am: |
|
In reading this old thread I tend to agree with Patzerozero's observations. I like to compare antennas that are installed at two similar locations on my property using a switch box too. I am amazed at the similaraties between many and often am puzzled about all of these big differences noted. I just don't see that here.
I do note the difference in noise just as Pat suggests also and that does make a difference for me when conditions are quite. I enjoy talking low power and long ground waves, which I have done on everything from my Starduster to Jay's I-10K, to a Sigma IV, and lately using one of Wolf Radio's .64 ground plane antennas. They all perform well.
833, is correct that only a well controlled test range, that has the skill and equiptment, is able to really tell the differences among these devices. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1458
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
|
Since i have had trouble with different
antennas in the past failing on me. My
#1 concern was strength of the antenna and
since i talk alot of local, best high strength
antenna that would pull the weak signals in
the best with the least noise here in MY location.
And i still believe that antennas perform different from location to location. Whether
this be noise it allows into the radio reciever
or signal getting changed by the different
landscaping of the area. I feel it's up to the
person to find the best antenna for his needs,
rather than picking a antenna because it was
stronger on a well controlled test range.
Yes, only a well controlled test range can tell
the differences among antennas. I agree with
that statement 100%.
But, there's other factors to consider.
Just my opinion- be it right or wrong, it's
all mine |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1460
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:36 pm: |
|
Marconi, i think why people notice different
readings between antennas is the S-unit differences between radios and the fact they
are not accurate.
My base shows more of a difference between
antennas than does my mobile.
It's hard to fault people when these major
differences can show up on there S-unit meters.
In real life in may not be a true reading, but,
it's hard to tell someone they didn't see something, when they knew they seen it.
That's where the contolled antenna range
would clearly show a true difference.
Forget S-unit readings and go by how well you hear another person on recieve if proper equipment isn't avalable for true testing. |
Marconi
Advanced Member
Username: Marconi
Post Number: 654
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
|
Yes Jim, you are correct about these meters we use. That is why I only record my own meter readings, so I won't be dealing with the differences among meters. It is not that my meter is more accurate, although I have several radios that all read pretty close to the same if the signals are less than S9.
These meters are at best only relative and can be used to make some judgments as to what is going on with a praticular station in the distance. It is not likely we will know precicesly how well we TX using S-meter references, because signals from an antenna do not always radiate in a perfect pattern. There is just too much stuff on the earth to interfere with the RF. Sometimes the interference helps us and sometimes not. That is probably why two stations that are reasonably close to the same distance from a third station may give remarkable differences in signals, with everything else being pretty much equal.
It is not that I disbelieve guys when they give their reports, I just know what goes on here after some time observing the conditions.
A signal report between just two stations is not conclusive evidence of performance and even more reports will not yield info as to the real performance of any antenna, but it is all most of us have as tools to measure what we see. This will work as long as we understand the vairables that are likely.
I have a friend that is about 50 miles due north of me. He has a V5/8 at 100' high. He gets very good signal reports from all around SE Texas up to 200-300 miles when conditions permit. But, I can hardly hear him. He has a neighbor that is about 5 miles farther north and a bit more east and I hear him fine almost all of the time and he has and Imax antenna at 72'. What do we make of that? |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1464
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 5:29 pm: |
|
My base shows a generous S-meter reading
between different antennas. Hook my mobile
up and the difference doesn't look as
much...LOL...
The guy with the Imax may just be in a better
location for hitting you. We have a guy here
who lives about 1 mile from me up against a
large mountain. He has to turn his beam to
bounce it off of a huge water-tower we have in
the opposite direction in order for him to transmit good in certain directions.
With the signals bouncing here and there.
Who knows? If we could see these waves happening, we could better understand the whys... |
Dale
Intermediate Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 398
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 5:43 pm: |
|
sounds like location,location,location pat |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2861
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 10:40 am: |
|
thankyou, marconi. i KNOW that in REALITY, there ARE significant differences in antenna performance, mobile as well as base, from operator to operator due to a lot of variables that ARE NOT at the perfect test range. and that just HAS to be taken into consideration, & unfortunately, for you, me or the next guy to decide that 1 antenna is better then another, each 1 has to try it. costly, yes, some of us just need to do it that way, others are satisfied with a 'generalization' (hmmmmm that works with microphones-coppers-& radios, too. except galaxy ) |
Marconi
Advanced Member
Username: Marconi
Post Number: 657
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 9:32 am: |
|
I agree with you guys, it is location. I guess I'm lucky that most of the antennas I use, all perform about the same on my property. The only exception is when I install an antenna on my roof deck. That one is always a bit improved over other spots around here. Hey Pat I agree again, about the galaxy for sure. I wish that was not true though. |
Unit199
Intermediate Member
Username: Unit199
Post Number: 259
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 2:37 pm: |
|
My opinion is that you can not test an antenna on a test range and expect the same results in real conditions. I feel the only true test can be made at the location in which it is going to be installed. I personnally would not buy an antenna just based on test range results as the antennas wiil perform different in one area than another. As for gain, at 1db the human ear can not even distinguish the difference. MY HUMBLE OPINION!!!
HARVE
Unit199 |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1537
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
|
Marconi, I have dead spots here. Best spot
for mine was in the middle of the road out
front of house.
Since cars would not agree to go around it,
i had to pick best location on my property.
The further back towards backyard, the worse
it gets big time.  |
Marconi
Advanced Member
Username: Marconi
Post Number: 659
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 1:35 pm: |
|
Well Jim, that is a bummer. I know that dead and hot spots exist, but I have never seen one that small. I do have a roof deck mount that seems to always make an antenna respond better, but I just figured that was because of the mount being on a 6" cast iron stand pipe in the middle of the house. Besides being about 5' or more in the ground, maybe the electrical area in the structure creats an improved ground plan. |
Redraven
New member
Username: Redraven
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 9:06 am: |
|
I just installed the excalibur on my friends house. I was a little sceptical about aluminum antennas but after seeing this one I ordered one myself. They are expensive, but they are worth it in construction alone. the performance went up at least 2 s units like everyone elses claim and he is hearing signals that he never did before. He was using a shakespeare abs 1600 army big stick like I was. SWR 1.1 across the board. If you dont have a perfect match with this antenna then check your coax connectors for corrosion and or signs of water wicking into the braid and down the coax. as far as an antron 99 outperforming an enforcer, Well, thats just pretty funny. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1733
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 10:33 am: |
|
Good Luck with your new antenna! Seems like
your very happy with it. |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1522
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 10:24 am: |
|
Redraven, I have been really interested in Mr. Coily's antennas. Read lots of reviews and never read one bad review. In your opinion which do you like the best, the Enforcer or the Excaliber? Or is their a difference?
CEF491 |
Redraven
New member
Username: Redraven
Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:41 pm: |
|
Hotwire. The excalibur and the enforcer is now one antenna. The excalibur was the heavy duty and the enforcer was the medium duty. he just makes one now which is the heavy duty and is calling it the enforcer .64 base I ahve beeb into cb since the mid seventies and have never seen an antenna built like this. I was worried about getting back to an aluminum antenna because none that I owned and I owned many, stood up to my winter in my location. The antenna is LIFETIME WARRANTEED by DAN. Mr. Coily. Yes its expensive but if yoou see it you will know why. Check out his web site. However you will have to wait some time to get one though. I think he is taking a break from building them. Call him and find out his status. Its not what he does for work so hes a bit slow on things but well worth the wait. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1737
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
|
Looks like Coily may be only building 1
base antenna according to his website.
$450.00 |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 2:05 pm: |
|
Thanks Redraven, I did'nt know that they were that hard to get hold of. I know he builds lots of mobiles which is probably easier. So only one guy is building the Enforcer. Thats why they are so expensive. I wonder if its a patented design? Maybe there is another antenna out there that is mass produced that is actually the same thing? Another wonder is if any major antenna manufacturers have offered to buy his patent? I have been to the website a while back and from looking at the high qaulity pics I can see how well made the antenna is, all good reviews. It is definatley one nice looking antenna. If I find that I can buy one and have it delivered right then I would do it. With it gauranteed you can't go wrong. With antennas you get what you pay for. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1742
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 09, 2006 - 8:55 pm: |
|
No other metal antennas quite like Coilys or I-10K for strength if that's a concern Hotwire.
And the $$$ cost will be high.
If major strength is not a concern, than you have
other options. |
Redraven
New member
Username: Redraven
Post Number: 5
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
|
Roadwarrior pretty much is right on. You are buying more for the strength. The performance is there also,but Strength is what I need. You can have the best antenna, but if it cant hold up to the elements than what good is it. I want to put it up and not have to worry about it. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1745
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 1:47 pm: |
|
I suppose Jo-Gunn makes a high strength
omni antenna also, but, i know of nobody that
uses one.
I looked in your profile Hotwire to see what
base antenna you were presently using.
Umbrella Skeleton? What is that? LOL |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 3073
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 6:00 pm: |
|
the UMBRELLA SKELTON antenna, as can be found FREE OF CHARGE on a big city street after a nasty storm. SWR's are nasty, too, usually infinity:1, better if you bend it just right. 'wire found his predator much easier to tune. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1748
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 7:46 pm: |
|
WOW! LOL- So, that's is a umbrella Skeleton...
|
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 3075
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
|
it actually looks like 1 of the 7' skipshooters i had on the rollbar of the truck on my QSL....AFTER i went under the railroad trestle by pulaski & raynor (maybe?), west of polishtown....in hank's 'hood. |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1535
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
|
See Pat uses an umbrella skeleton also! OLD OLD OLD skipshootin secrets that only a very few know about. Pat's looks a little worn out though. Or is it true? Hank finally got fed up and took out his frustations on it with some good ol New York road rage. Pat, when Hank past by you was he hanging out the window shouting curse words and displaying obscenitys? I have heard that this type of behavior happens quite often in NewYork especially with the cab drivers. Or do I watch to much tv? |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 3078
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 6:06 pm: |
|
'when Hank past by you was he hanging out the window shouting curse words and displaying obscenitys?'-to tell you the truth, that is par for the course here & i never even noticed him....in my durango, i'd have given him the classic single-fingered NY wave, in my blazer, i'd just have run him over  . you may watch too much TV, 'wire, but that behavior is NOT limited to NYC cabbies! |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1538
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
|
Oh I'm sure its not. I said cabbies cause of a story a friend who recently visited NewYork told me. He took cabs to get around and said a lot of the cabbies would get very mad while in traffic. One cabbie was talking on the cell phone and actually put the other end on hold many times just so he could yell out some choice curse words at whoever was driving like a moron. Its funny cause my friend would imitate the NewYork accent telling me the things he said. These were the most explicit curse words you can use. IN Indianapolis I have never expierienced anything like this. Just flipping birds flashing high beams honking and tailgating is about it. An occassional highway shooting and vehicle manslaughter now and then. I hear in L.A. that freeway gun fights are common. I guess we are a little more laid back in the midwest. I have heard and it may be a rumor that certain types of road rage is going to be taken more seriously and made a fellony offense. Maybe I should get one of them Blazers... |
Hotwire
Senior Member
Username: Hotwire
Post Number: 1539
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
|
Ok sorry back to the antennas topic. |
Oldpirate
Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 97
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 12:34 am: |
|
Getting back onto the subject of using S meters to gauge antenna performance. Unfortunately an S meter is the only method available to most of us. I think this along with accurate record keeping in a log book does give you an indication of what is working and what is not. My report on the Coily antenna was done with both antenna's mounted and a change over switch in the coax.
the Kenwood and Icom that I use do have very good meters on them. I only tested the Coily antenna on groundwave contacts mainly Stations over 40 miles away so after consulting my log books and looking at the S meter readings over several months I have noticed an improvement. I have had some signals from a station 85 miles away who I could hardly hear before who are perfectly readable now, how much of this is due to the 4ft increase in height of the Coily over the other antenna. Reduced noise level with this antenna was an added bonus.
After using this antenna for nearly twelve months now I am very pleased with its performance. |
Road_warrior
Senior Member
Username: Road_warrior
Post Number: 1935
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
|
That's all that counts Old Pirate!
 |
Oldpirate
Intermediate Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 114
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 6:29 pm: |
|
My Enforcer has already had numerous contacts to Europe from home QTH in New Zealand and this was towards the bottom of the sunspot cycle, I never managed to get into Europe successfully with the A99.
Sure it is expensive but I was lucky I got mine when the price was $250. I must admit I would find $500 too expensive but the Enforcer does deliver the goods. |
Danusee
Member
Username: Danusee
Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 9:03 am: |
|
The Mr. Coily seems to be a true .64 or very close. It just might be the best omni! I have had other antennas and the hot vertical section of them, which were insinuated to be 5/8 wave, were right at the 1/2 measurement. The Imax is the other antenna that the length is at the advertised length. But $550 for the Mr. Coily that bites. I want one but I need to figure the taxes first. (And several other things). |
Oldpirate
Intermediate Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 126
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 9:26 pm: |
|
Another good thing about this antenna is that I can use it on 10 and 15 meters on the amateur band with my auto tuner. |
Radioreddz
Junior Member
Username: Radioreddz
Post Number: 42
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 6:24 pm: |
|
well gotta put in my 2 cents. i just installed a Coily on the same mast with the same coax as my 2 year old V5000 Maco and i must say i see no noticable signal strength improvment on TX or RX. all the other operaters i talk to localy from 15 miles to over 120 miles ground wave seems to say the signal is the same. they did not even know that i changed antennas i did not tell them until after talking with them for a while. performance wise the Maco V5000 and the Coily do the same for me. do i think the price is worth it YES for all out strength and ease of assembly. i think the Jay10K and Coily were actualy built for strength of the high desert winds and harsh weather any way. for me my weather does not get thet bad heck on my MOMs house in Washington Dc 30 miles up then road my old starduster is still up after 30 years straped to her chimney. would i buy another one NO not because its not worth it but i just don't need quite an antenna that heavy duty when i can get the same performance from a much less expensive Maco V5000. now if i lived in area that had really high winds and bad winters YES i would buy the Coily or Jay 10K. |
Wankle
Junior Member
Username: Wankle
Post Number: 30
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 5:03 pm: |
|
How long is the Mr.Coily |
Oldpirate
Intermediate Member
Username: Oldpirate
Post Number: 127
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 3:06 pm: |
|
The Enforcer is around 24FT long |
Dale
Advanced Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 716
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 6:14 pm: |
|
great report there radioreddz.sounds like your testing went good.i liked how ya didnt tell
anyone ya changed antennas see if they notice
first.i do same thing with radios,mikes,never
tried antennas yet.definately sounds like both
antennas had a propuse weather it be a rugged built bullet proof antenna or a great performing echonimal antenna
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
|
Tech833
Moderator
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 1646
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:20 am: |
|
The Mr. Coily and the Maco V-5/8 should test really close to each other. That is to be expected. |
Bootymonster
New member
Username: Bootymonster
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:11 pm: |
|
Imax 2000 Exposed by Tech 833
The Antron 99 EXPOSED!
by Tech 833 |
Hyperno_1979
Intermediate Member
Username: Hyperno_1979
Post Number: 386
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 7:06 am: |
|
This is an oldish thread but the content still gets me. You guys should be thankful you can get what you can. Try moving over here and having to pay over $500 for an Imax 2000.....without GPK. That my friends puts another $150 to that!!!!
CEFFFCEF
Bob
CEF703/CVC26
269 Hunter Valley
27.355 lsb.
|
Dale
Senior Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 1012
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 7:43 pm: |
|
why would anyone pay150.00 for just a imax
he could have went thru coppers and got a
maco5/8 wave plus a 3 element flatside beam
with rotar control box and wire and stil probaly
under 500.
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
|
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 14117
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 8:01 pm: |
|
Hmmmmmmmm,
Maybe because Maco the same as the Imax is also NOT sold in Scotland by local dealer's?
And they would also need to be imported into the country from the US or elsewhere.
Lon ~ Tech808 ~ N9CEF
CEF#808 ~ CEF HAM#33 ~ CVC#002
Tech808@copperelectronics.com
|
Squirrel
New member
Username: Squirrel
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 10:04 pm: |
|
I LIKE MY WILSON 1OOO OUTSIDE MY WINDOW HOOKED TO MY DX959 AND TS400V... NO COMPLAINTS
SQUIRREL
73'S
QS1688 SOUTHERN MARYLAND WAVIN A HAND BREAK BREAK
|
Walterb
Junior Member
Username: Walterb
Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 12:08 am: |
|
Well better late than never, did a lot of testing of base CB antennas over the last 4 years. never found an antenna that I got a higher signal reading on than an A99 on my signal meters. I have a I-10K that on 11 meters would modulate almost up to the DK reading of the A99. All antennas were tested from a mobile 20+ miles away, to be fair could not raise the I-10K up as high as the A99 at 38' to the bottom, but the I-10K performed better than my MACO 5/8 my IMAX and my HGP500 by almost 2s units in direct testing on an A/B switch the aluminum antennas were easier to listen to, I am a HAM and use an A99 and a IMAX because I also use them on other bands where they work very well. My favorite 11 meter to listen to on 11 meters is the HGP-500, most of the time it picks up very weak signal great. Have not tried a Coily yet.............Oldtimer |
Doc_holliday
Junior Member
Username: Doc_holliday
Post Number: 45
Registered: 6-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 26, 2011 - 11:37 am: |
|
Well I know this is a very old post, but after a few weeks of helping some others with their antennas that they spent their hard earned money, I would like to say:
We done multiple testings for hours and days, with the new super penetrator 500 vs. Mr Coily groundplane. Both of these antennas was used with various radios and amps, done some dxing with them,and checking the s units as well as audio from both on locals and distances, not telling anyone what we was talking on, we would switch antennas and just see the differences in reports, and neither antenna really outperformed the other one,they both got the same reports, they both have awesome receive and output, but for the price differences with these testings been done, I can't see it, I'm not sure about some of you other guys, but please post your comments or thoughts on it. The only thing I personally did see that the coily had over the penetrator was the thickness and heavy dutyness of the antenna, but that still didn't give it the ump to out perform the penetrator.
Both antennas was installed at 25 feet for the testings. |
Thehobo
Intermediate Member
Username: Thehobo
Post Number: 140
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 - 1:30 pm: |
|
just got my mr coily up and its at about 25 feet, kept it low so if any adjustment was needed it could be done off of the roof of the house.. BIG tall antenna..set antenna at the marks thats provited and on the bird, hardly any movement, so put a 1k on it and the needle just moved alittle.. so when i get it up all the way, should do me some good.. lol
thehobo
thehobo
269150 monitor ch.
|
Dale
Senior Member
Username: Dale
Post Number: 2290
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - 9:46 pm: |
|
doc holiday, i beleieve what u seen cause its been said a 5/8 wave is a a 5/8 wave. so yes there shouldnt be much difference if any.if ya live in harsh conditions mr.coily definately has the edge.
dale/a.k.a.hotrod
cef426
cvc#64
454 [dx numbers]
38lsb
|
