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RCI2990
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 1:10 pm: | 
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...........is why did the CPSC outlaw aluminum base antennas for CB but companys still make aluminum TV antennas and just as many people get killed by them? And companys make CB beams out of aluminum but they are still very much legal? BRUCE! Can you help me out here??????? |
Taz
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 6:01 pm: |
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2990 sir,
You said as many people get killed by t.v. antennas as by cb antennas? Any antenna can kill you if you are in correct contact with it when it hits a power line.
Taz |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 6:31 pm: |
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i wondered the same thing and why are ham antennas still aluminun ???? what do you think .... sounds like another fact finding mission what's your opinion????? |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 10:36 pm: |
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Taz so sorry i didnt make myself 100% clear...
I talked to a CB shop guy and he said they did that because "they" ( the CPSC and the FCC) think CBers that install regular groundplane antennas are lower in IQ than hams and the CBers that use beams... LOL!! Go figure...-DISCLAIMER- Ok, before you forum guys all flame my rear for what i just said this was told to me by a CB shop owner and they are -NOT MY OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS!- |
Bullseye
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 11:09 pm: |
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Think about this guys. I got a kick out of it. In the directions to my Maco V58 it says "Do not install during an electrical storm" Is this really a problem that needs addressed????????? |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 3:45 am: |
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I think thats a bogus opinion that guy made. Is the cb shop guy a ham? What antenna does he run? Whats his opinion on what he said |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 9:25 am: |
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2990 if i remember right this started in the mid 70's during the cb craze when a large number of cb users were killed instaiilng antennas NOW to be fair a HAM in Kenucky was killed a few month ago when his 2 meter antenna on a long pole fell into the 7200 volt wires ...not good. your right but IQ wasnt the factor NUMBERS was at the peak of the craze the estemate was 40 MILLION people in the US had or had use of a cb radio at the same time there was 300,000 hams. If there were 40 million hams all thoes 40 meters beams would be coated in fiberglass ... perish the thought. if you or someone on the forum can find the CPSC number on a antenna ill go check it out i tried to find something with my web brozer but coun't it might prove intresting if we could fine the 1970' FCC/ CPSC order. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 12:12 pm: |
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bulleyes im howling on the floor hahahahaha DOH! kinda like the warning on firecrackers DO NOT HOLD IN HAND LIGHT AND RETREAT QUICKLY ! HEY i wonder if anyone has been stupid enough to be killed putting up a antenna in a thunderstrom
DOH! |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 5:41 pm: |
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That shop owner actually runs a Avanti Sigma 4 and hes DEFINETLY NOT a ham! in fact he doent even like hams for some oddball reason...
Bullseye...
LOL!!! yeah like being told never to fly a kite in a thunderstorm!!! HA HA!
Bruce..
I agree what you said about the CB craze.. Ill bet you 10 to 1 that most of those people killed back in the CB craze were mostly people that either had no or very little exp. putting up antennas. I heard of a guy here locally that lost his new house back in mid 1975 after he installed his antenna up on his roof almost next to a 7k line and the antenna blew over in a storm when he wasnt home and the antenna caused a fire that basically destroyed his new home. It was an 80K dollar house and back in 1975 that was a hell of a lot of $$$ for that time period!!!! |
Bullseye
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 6:58 pm: |
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Kinda like the warning on shaving cream cans. It says " Do not use near open flame". Can I get a show of hands of everyone who has ever been sitting around a campfire and relized they needed a shave. Or on a razor blade wrapper do they really need to put "Caution-Sharp edged blade" |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 8:11 pm: |
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Like putting your antenna up in a tornado. Good idea! |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 10:25 pm: |
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Ok ill admit it. I have made flamethrowers out of shaving cream and hairspray cans before!!! LOL!!!! ;-)
Or how about in some instruction manuals for CB radios, TVs, stereos, ect, that say "unit does not turn on. Check to see if unit is plugged in." LOL!! |
Barakuda318
| | Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 11:22 pm: |
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My mother has a curling iron that says "DO NOT INSERT HOT CURLING IRON INTO ANY BODILY ORRIFACE.." Duhhhhhhhhhhhh....
lol |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 12:07 am: |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uhh what orifice/s does that refer to? Never mind!! Ill leave that one be for now!!!! ;-) |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 12:12 am: |
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hahahahahahah thats good hahahha is that kinda like where the sun dont shine |
409
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 1:57 am: |
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Well guys.....what it probably comes down to is that some genius has tried these stunts and now the corporate legal departments have to print these warnings on the products. Some of them are very funny ! Normal people wouldn't even think of some of this stuff !! |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 2:08 am: |
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Uhh, I would hope that nobody would do that because it would hurt. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 11:29 am: |
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2990 you say that shop owner dont like hams? ive been told
"I like hams baked Your not bad".... my best WC Field's imitation. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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HEY LOOK AT THIS !
CPSC Announces Decision On CB Base AntennasNEWS from CPSC
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Office of Information and Public AffairsWashington, DC 20207
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 28, 1977
Release # 77-010
CPSC Announces Decision On CB Base Antennas
WASHINGTON, D.C. (Jan. 28) -- The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) today announced plans to require labels on CB (citizen band) base antennas
warning purchasers of the possible electric shock hazard during their installation, primarily due to contact with overhead power lines.
The Commission has directed its staff to develop a proposed rule under section 27(e) of the Consumer Product Safety Act requiring manufacturers to give information related to performance and safety of CB base antennas to the Commission and to consumers at the point of purchase. The proposed rule, which will be published in the Federal Register for public comment, will specify the language of the warning labels manufacturers would be required to attach to CB base antennas. After analysis of the public comments, the Commission will decide on issuing a final rule.CB base antennas are mounted alongside private dwellings on masts or towers.
Ninety-two (92) deaths and 156 injuries associated with these antennas were reported to the Commission last year. Most of these accidents occurred when the antenna, while being installed or taken down, came in contact with power lines. In the majority of cases the accident involves an injury (or death) to more than one person.
The proposed rule will also require that instructions accompany the product advising consumers of precautions to avoid the hazard of electric shock in installing or taking down these antennas. A CPSC public information and
education program is also being planned.
HERE'S OUR BAD GUY !!
This action is in response to a petition by Lawrence II. Chapman, Harvey, Louisiana, requesting warning labels on all communications antennas sold to the general public. The Commission is limiting its rulemaking at this time to CB base antennas as available injury information indicates they are primarily
involved in antenna accidents. The Commission may include other communication antennas in the future if warranted.
The Commission staff will also investigate the feasibility of a mandatory safety standard that would eliminate or reduce the hazard of electric shock incurred while installing or otherwise using CB base antennas.The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission protects the public from
unreasonable risk of injury or death from 15,000 types of consumer products under the agency's jurisdiction. To report a dangerous product or a
product-related injury and for information on CPSC's fax-on-demand service, call
CPSC's hotline at (800) 638-2772 or CPSC's teletypewriter at (800) 638-8270. To
order a press release through fax-on-demand, call (301) 504-0051 from the
handset of your fax machine and enter the release number. Consumers can obtain
this release and recall information or report product hazards to info@cpsc.gov. |
Peddler
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 8:14 pm: |
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We handle a certain brand of hand soap with thse instructions;
a) wet hands
b) apply soap
c) rub briskly together
d) rinse
e) dry
Most of these corporations are just trying to protect themselves from all the worlds idiots and sue happy nuts.
The Peddler |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 11:38 pm: |
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Bruce.
that article was interesting although at that time i was only a mere 3 years old!! LOL!!
I have been also told that the main editor of the old CB magazine S9 was also responsible for the eventual ban on all metal CB antennas.. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 7:33 am: |
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that could have been S9 was progressive and did good for the cb reader of that day. Now if i get the time ill look to see what i can find alot of cb rules go back to that time frame the ban on 23 ch sets, the crack down on liners and the increase to 40 channels all happened between 75-77 lets see you were born in 74... you wipper snapper... S9 was published by CQ in new york nice mag too bad not enough readers pop com is the closest we have today also published by CQ...
bruce |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 11:47 pm: |
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I would like to find some more old S9 and CB magazines from the mid to late 1970s. I have some from 1976 1977 1978 and 1980 and 1981 and 1982... |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 7:22 am: |
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2990 thoes things ( S9, CBH ) are harder to find than QST i have a few ham radio from then sad that that mag bit the dust |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 10:20 pm: |
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yeah it is.. That was a really neat magazine for CBers back then. It was in print since the late 1950s then it seemed it died about 1982 or so along with the whole CB radio deal.. |
Ak3383
New member
Username: Ak3383
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 10:28 pm: |
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I have bought 7 different new aluminum cb base antenna between 2002 top mid 2005. Legal and still are |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 3252
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 11:47 pm: |
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Aluminum CB base antennas ARE leagal on 10 meter There is a safty rule when sold for CB. They are NOT ILEAGAL to use....... not by the end user. |
Tech833
Moderator
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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Bruce,
What? This is news to me.
Aluminum antennas have never been 'illegal' for the end user to use, there was simply a new federal rule created that new CB antennas sold to the public had to insulate the installer up to 14,500 volts.
I do not see anything saying that rule should apply to ham antennas. Only CB. |
Bruce
Senior Member
Username: Bruce
Post Number: 3258
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 5:48 pm: |
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I said that ....
STUPID LAW |
Crazybob
New member
Username: Crazybob
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 12:14 am: |
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All Jogunn omni antennas are now sold as "10 meters", because of the CPSC.
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"FOR RELEASE
July 9, 1986
Release # 86-42
Jo Gunn Enterprises Recalls Omnidirectional Cb Antennas
Washington, D.C. -- In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, Jo Gunn Enterprises, Ethelsville, Alabama is voluntarily recalling five models of its omnidirectional CB base station antennas. These are Model 100, Model 200, Son of A Gunn, Hillbilly and Pistol. If contact is made by the antennas with an electrical power line while being installed or taken down, the antennas have the potential for severe or fatal shock."
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The full article is on the www. |
Patzerozero
Senior Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 2140
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 7:36 pm: |
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just glad to see that hams are less likely to be electrocuted then CBers...guess that 'superiority complex' thing has some basis of fact  |
