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rulie
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 11:11 pm: | 
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If your like me you have some broken radios sitting in your closet that you have collected over the years. That packrat in you says to keep them they might be worth repairing but your wife says get that junk outta here. So how do you know when to toss and when to repair?
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Firedog104
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 12:17 am: |
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Thats a good question lol I have a few laying around here also , I just hate to get rid of them. |
lugnut
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 1:25 am: |
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Isn't any radio worth repairing? There was a
reason why you got them to begin with, RIGHT? |
Sodapop
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 6:42 am: |
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Well I have a few rules that I go by. Simple and they work, for me anyway.
1. Most 23 channels are not worth it. Notice I said most, not all.
2. The shape of said radio, if she looks like an anchor, then she might be one.
3. And is the radio worth the money to fix, which means, what does the wallet say?
Now these are kind of simple, and may not work on all radio. Or for all CBer's.
I held on to a 23 channel mobile once, for two years. Can't recall the make, but it was mint. I had to sink 40 bucks into to make it work. I paid 10 for it, and that was $7.50 to much. I just souldn't put that much money into it. But I wanted to. Now if I had, I would never get that much back out of it. Which would OK, if I had to just have that old radio working. So rule number 3 is the one I mostly fall back on.
I hope this helps, but if not, tell us what you got. You never know, you might be able to sell a few to pay to have a few fixed! *G*
*** shame on me, trying to make a deal! *** |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 6:47 am: |
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Some years back I used to collect Hygain mobile radios.I picked them up at flea markets and CB shops.I had shelves full of them just for looking at.A fellow stopped by the radio room one day and offered me $5.00 a piece for them and they became history.I lost the desire to have anything sitting around that doesn't work or is outdated.If you have a radio that has some sentimental value it is worth fixing.If you have two radios of the same type one is good for spare parts.73 |
307
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 7:20 am: |
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Normally , if it is in good shape and a SSB radio , it is most likey worth fixing. Some 23 channel bases are still good work horses but the rule of thumb is , if it is clean and un-hacked , it is worth fixing. Radios that have been to every shop in America and are really butchered are for the dumster. You would not believe what I "see" come my way. The shipping is worth more...
307 |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 7:51 am: |
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My rule on where it is worth fixing is if i see it on e-bay and they are selling for more that what it would cost me to fix it i fix it however when they are selling piles of 5 radios for 10 bucks and that radio is in the pile i have one more use for it.... a door stop |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 12:20 pm: |
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Adding to what has already been said i think any radio is worth fixing if it means something to the owner but to be real you should not fix a radio if:
1) it is a 23 channel set ( no 23 ch set is legual unless you bought it new and have a bill of sale )
2) it will cost the full value of the set even if you are fixing it your self
3) even if "fixed " it has a record of problems ones that seems to be unrelated to the failure.
At this point open wallet buy radio. I restore radios sometimes i have to fine 3 or 4 to make one good one but if i had to sell them id lose my b... |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 1:03 pm: |
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I don't chunk'em untill they are pretty well stripped of usable parts, even the 23 channel mobils have switchs, crystals, wheat lamps, the AF and RF pots make nice variable controls, the trim pots in the SSB rigs work good for making 'expo kits'. Some of the hand mikes on the old 23 channels had excellent sounding elements, I've used them in repairing D-104's with bad heads, you can test them on a 'talkback' radio to find one with the sound you like. Almost every tube type radio in most any condition has a collector looking for it. All the better 40 channel SSB base radios will sale, as will the mobiles, and of course the exports, even those truly 'burned' up has someone that can, or thinks they can repair them. I sold 2 really clean cobra 2000's on e-bay for a pretty good price, both had lightning strikes, I certainly couldn't fix'em, and had a 'real tech' look at one, he said it was not worth repairing. I described them exactly as they were, with photos, the same shop in NJ bought them, and emailed me the day after they received them, said he had them both repaired, and wanted anymore broke 2000's I came across. I've sold several other 2000's that were in excellent condition, and of course they brought much more. The key word in selling them, describe them exactly as they are, no doubletalk. If you don't have a big shop or barn, the stuff does pile up, I had so much a couple years ago, old radio and amplifier chassis', antique test equipment, commercial equipment, I loaded up a pickup load, my son is in the Const. business, he was digging a deep footing under a Vault for a commercial building, we dumped that junk in the hole, he poured about 3 feet of concrete over it. When somebody digs that up in 50 years or so, they gonna say "WHAT THE HELL"!!!
haha, Scrapiron |
SSB2103
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 3:44 pm: |
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The radio is done when the tech says so. If he can!t get the parts that is takes to keep it running then it is JUNK. You see alot of it at swap-meets (smile) |
619
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 8:40 pm: |
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i'm always on the lookout for rigs at the flea market if they are under 10 bucks,why not get some and try to resell them at your next local ham fest. money seems to burn holes in everyones pocket at these things! |
Galileo
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 9:42 pm: |
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Hey Bruce,
When did it become illegal to own a stock 23 channel cb???? Since they will not work any different than a new forty channel, power wise, and frequincy wise..... |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 11:37 pm: |
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Galileo the sale and use of 23 ch radios was outlawed in 1977 they cannot be sold by anyone even you and me they cannot be used the only exception is if you bought the radio before they were outlawed and have a bill of sale you can ues the radio untill you have no more use for it. Now i want every one to know i caught a lot of hell from a lot of people telling me this was untrue but WRONG the FCC last year told me in a letter this ban WAS STILL valid and inforced but i doubt unless you are causing a problem anyone realy cares. The reason is this CB is not a hobby band it falls under type acceptance services even at HF which HAM radio does not so by REVOKING the acceptance you OUTLAW the radio. If you do not beleve me feel free to write the FCC and ask for them to check YOUR 23 ch radio type acceptance to see if it is still valid none are.
By the way i have a copy of the public relese and there are NO exceptions none. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 2:14 pm: |
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Hey Bruce, your so full of christmas turkey, I can't really tell what your talking about, but, the 23 channel radios are just as legal today as the day they were type accepted. They just were not supposed to be converted to 40 channel use, and were not to be sold new after a certain date in 1977. Some of the last 23 channel SSB radios used PLL designs, and some of the companies sold kits, including a channel 40 dial, and directions on making them 40 channel. Was that legal, hell I don't know, but the biggest radio company in this country, E. F. Johnson, sold the kits right in their catalog for the Johnson Viking 352d, I know, because I ordered several. The 352d was really a nice AM and SSB radio, and easy to convert to 40 channel and more, a 10k switch was easy also. It should have been good, priced at about 425 bucks. Stop trying to scare these boys, they ain't gonna give you their old 23 channel Brownings and Trams. hahaha, Scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 3:05 pm: |
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scrappy would you like to see the letter form the FCC? give me a address and ill mail you a copy
radio-doctor@juno.com |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 3:25 pm: |
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scrap several trams and brownings are on the list of baned radios which includes the johnson 352d. I and which i will include with both the letter and the public notice dated January 30 1978 |
jyd
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 4:04 pm: |
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scrap a tram,i am going to have a heart atack |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 4:25 pm: |
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Bruce, I doubt if some of the Trams were ever type excepted, as all it took was a little solder and the Tx was tunable with the RX, and went above and below the regular 23. I have 2 of the old 352D's, both with bad chips, you made me walk out to the shop and look at'em. "FCC ID DATA 242-0352D". Johnson made another Viking 352, it was crystal control. I looked on the old Tram D201 also, but didn't see a label on the back, it could have been knocked off in 25 years though. I better check that out, I'd be the last person in the world to do something illegal on or around the CB band. ha,ha. I'd hate to get one of those letters like you've got, ha , yeah, send me a copy, let me see how you were messin' up back then. Scrapiron
scrapiron@yahoo.com |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 7:06 pm: |
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Minor point scrap a FEW radios were produced type excepted for 40 channles but were shiped with a 23 ch selector installed hygain was one of them. The problem is was your radio type accepted as a 23 or a 40 channel if it used crystal plexer forget it no way 99% of the 23's used that method not going to fly. Now johnson may have had every right to sell you the kit and that kit was good on either chassies.
If for some reason you had one of these a " upgrade kit" would work however you still had to have the radio " remanufactured " to a 40 this was the only catch and i dont know of anyone who ever sent his radio back to comply with this. Either way the FCC release is clear NO 23 channel radio as of Jan 1978 was leagual.
A copy of this release is baged and awating your address
radio-doctor@juno.com |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 8:26 pm: |
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Scrap if it was not type accepted it was NEVER leagual Dont get excited guys i feel the same over some of the older ham radios. I dont like the way it was done either the idea that you buy a leagual radio and then get told you cannot use it sell it ect sits wrong with me too. BUT i did not write this rule as a FCC 1st class license holder i had to at least TRY and keep up with the rules and over all these years some have caught my eye this being one of them. SO last year i came across the release from 25 years back and i e-mailed the FCC lab and asked they what is the current story on 23CH radios leagual or not and recived a no answer. Thats it, sorry THATS THE STORY!
If you have a problem dont shoot the messager hihi
scrap check your mail box |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 9:39 pm: |
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Who wants old 23 anyways with everyone on the legal 40?? Kinda like buying a scanner that uses crstals and moving to a new location and county and the crystals being useless..... JMHO!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 10:36 pm: |
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2990 thank you you speeka the truth!!! its kina like some of the old hams when i was a kid they just could not understand why spark gap transmiters were outlawed |
Riverat
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 11:40 pm: |
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Gee I bet there are still quite a few people out there that has some good operating 23 channels .
For one I have about 6 of them . Let's see 2 Hygains , one Johnson messenger 123 , one Pace 143 , one Realistic Navaho , one Fieldmaster , & last but not least a Lake , which I'm installing in my truck after about 25 yrs. I mainly used them when I travel . And by the way & I don't think the FCC is gonna ask me what kind of radio I'm using . LOL That's like saying you can only own & use a TV until a new model comes out , which is about every yr. And all of my radios work !! |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 11:46 pm: |
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You would be surprised about the value of some of the old 23 channel radios. I sold a 23 Channel Browning Golden Eagle Mark III last year for 850.00, about the same time I sold a full feature Icom 737 HF rig for 750.00, so it seems someone wants them.
They do have to be in mint condition to bring that kind of price, and, there ain't many left like that. Scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 1:36 am: |
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Riverat for 30 years i converted radios for other uses old modas for repeaters old RCA's made good 6 meter fm mobles and the 23 ch radios for 10 meters lots of them and since they were REMOVED from cb radio the FCC dosnt care. As for sale the FCC to the best of my knolage has never fined anyone for selling any cb set maby a few dealers but for wwhat it cost to convict a non dealer they would be loosing money fast. As for the browning i have never understood why people buy that kinda stuff .... dont get me wrong i had collins 75a's and all kind of good old stuff worth to colectors thousands but still junk.
no more i got rid of all that stuff and never looked back including thoes old 23's |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 8:27 am: |
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Scrapiron63:You got a good price.I sold my Mark IV for $150.00 two years ago. |
RCI2990
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MHO i kinda do like some of the old brownings like the MK3s and the MK4s but if i were to get one (highly unlikely. maybe a MK 4 or a MK 4a) id get a MK 4 simply because they have all 40 channels to use!:-) Some guys go tottaly ape you-know-what over old radios that are 23s but not this guy.. I just cant see running a old, outdated, and bascially limited capability radio that more than likely you cant get parts for or even get fixed anymore ( and if you can it will usually cost you an arm, leg, and/or wife or girlfriend!) when there are soo many out there now that will blow away those old 23 radios hands down!!!!! |
Scrapiron63
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Hey Vernon, yeah I know about giving equipment away, I've done that in the past, but that was before E-bay. I bought ol brownings for 25-50 bucks back in the early 1980s when CB was at a low point, and all the new equipment was coming out. I think my Mark III was about the highest I've seen sold in the 4 years that I've been on e-bay. However, a Mark IV just sold last month for over 1200 bucks. The truth is, there are collectors for about anything imaginable, classic CB radios are on the low end of collectables, dollar wise, when compared to others. E-bay has provided a good medium for buyers and sellers, although lots of people use it for a rip-off place, there are always crooks. It also bought out the self-appointed oversees of the airways, and now the internet. An official at E-Bay told me they were overwhelmed with reports of items 'illegal', in the reporters view. She told me they were trying to make it more difficult for reporting, and had done follow ups on items reported and kicked off. Sometimes the sellers were contacted by the same people that reported the 'illegal' item, they were trying to negotiate a cheap price off ebay. Talking about hypocritical, ha. E-bay has also made the people very wealthy that thought of the idea. Don't you wish we had. scrapiron |
bruce
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On E-BAY they only cracked down after the FCC was ready to take them to court. Now as for turning people in just look at the high number of modified radios liners ezport sets set up for cb it is easy to see why they get so many calls for e-bay to have ant chance of regulating this the following has to happen:
1) NO sales of 23 ch radios none
2) No sales of external amps requiring less than 100 watts of drive even better no sales at all
3) No sales of radios modified an any manior and all rangers and export radios.
as for kits to modify a radio remember the end user is libal for the radio not the seler of the kit this is why CBI and others can sell expanson boards.
See to me a nice WW2 telegargh key is worth a lot to you it is a useless paper weight this is how " collectables works dont get me wrong. E-Bay should not be the FCC clearing house that is there job which for 40 years they have done a very poor job of doing.
bruce |
Scrapiron63
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Your right 2990, I suspect a lot of the 'collectors-operators' of the old radios are old farts like me, that don't need their money for other things like raising a family. The only way I would run an old 23, converted or not, for mobile use, is if I could not affort anything else. I keep an old Browning in my shop, the guys on the lower channels like to hear it ping, lots of them run Browning radios. With all that said, I have a Galaxy Saturn here in the house, and a 88 for a stand-by radio in the shop. I also have a kenwood 440 HF rig I've had about 10 or 12 years, that I don't use very much anymore, I might let someone else be the proud owner of it before long. CB is just my hobby, not a business, I would bet I've spent far more buying, than I ever made selling the stuff. Some people own Bass Boats, Motor homes and such, CB (Constant Buying)is mine, and it can be expensive, but not like some of those others. |
Scrapiron63
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Bruce, the woman I talked to at E-bay said the problem was not with the FCC, but the constant complaining by users of e-bay, and they were making it harder for people to send in complaints. I guess they did that, I looked at e-bay today and see galaxy saturns, ranger 2950s, 6900 hp, and several other exports that sold recent. Also a Swan 1011, and several galaxy mobils listed now. This is under CB that I'm talking about. So, you better get busy reporting, ha. I received the FCC papers you sent, thanks. If you read them, they contadict each other, like lots of their rules. The 1978 says it's ok to use the 23 channels, but not to sell them, the other says both are not allowed. While I was at the FCC site looking at that "gonna move the CB Band" junk, I looked at the CB rules as to what type of equipment could be used. Read what it says, It just had to be type excepted, with a label, if most CB'ers today were to have the FCC check their equipment, the 'type excepted' thing would be the least of their worries. The thing I just don't understand is why a group of people would make it a point to watch every item that individuals are trying to sell on a place like e-bay, and nit-picking as to its legality, when the same item can be bought on 50 different websites. That just seems a hellava way for anyone to get his kicks. scrapiron
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End]
[Revised as of October 1, 2000]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR95.409]
[Page 536]
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION
COMMISSION (CONTINUED)
PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service
Sec. 95.409 (CB Rule 9) What equipment may I use at my CB station?
(a) You must use an FCC certificated CB transmitter at your CB
station. You can identify an FCC certificated transmitter by the
certification label placed on it by the manufacturer. You may examine a
list of certificated equipment at any FCC Field Office or at FCC
Headquarters. Use of a transmitter which is not FCC certificated voids
your authority to operate the station.
(b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to a
certificated CB transmitter. (See CB Rule 25, Sec. 95.425). Any internal
modification to a certificated CB transmitter cancels the certification,
and use of such a transmitter voids your authority to operate the
station. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 12:58 am: |
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scrapy the e-mail states to sell or use it is very plain since they are no longer type accepted they are out well more on the e-mail see ya later |
bruce
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scrapy i agree that there are thoes who apoint them selfs as policeman of e-bay but to be honest most of what ive seen pulled is beyond question. As for the woman she is full of bunk a lot was made at the time in QST about the pressure that was put on e-bay by the FCC to stop sales of liners in partictular. I realy dont care if people waist money on junk ive bought some junk myself mostly to restore a radio i already had but what i was after was not cb stuff it was low band vhf I have reported a few idems mostly REALY dangerus idems worst of which were volines a MODULATED OSC. type 1950's clas b cb that if you put it 1/2 mile outside my jail shop would interfere with all 3 of our repeters. After 40+ years i cant understand why they just keep showing up very bad radio. Sadly your browning and tram and the HE-15, HE-20 had to go with the REALY bad radios. If the radios were given grandfathering no one would care and few would be around and no one would by them by the way i can e-mail the pages to anyone who wants them just ask
bruce |
RCI2990
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Now what about older 40 channel stuff like the tram D201A, Robyn executive 540D 40 channel, and the browning MK4 and MK4A? Both are radios that id like to own just once!!!
Oh BTW whats the main differnce between the Mark 4 and the Mark 4 A? |
bruce
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i have no problem fixing any radio if the price is worth it to the owner but lets get real a 39 buck rad-shack that cost 99 bucks to fix is not smart as for browning and tram are they still making radios? |
Vernonott
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RCI2990:I don't know what the difference is but my old MK IV had a matching Browning two tube amp with it. |
RCI2990
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I saw a sweeeeeet looking MK4 on ebay that was going for 300.00. But id never pay that much for one.. JMHO!!!!! |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 9:34 pm: |
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2990, those radios you mentioned are legal to use, there is some question as to selling them, same for the 23 channels, they were then and are now legal to use. Go to the FCC web page and look, the one paper Bruce has says the same thing, and, besides that, the FCC is not enforcing the CB rules, if they get enough complaints, they have to look into a station, then the operator is given every chance to straighten up his act, go look at the FCC site for violations also. I read some last night, one operator in florida would not even let them look at his equipment, base or mobile, that's an automatic fine, but they did not see or confiscate his equipment, they finded him 5750 bucks, but he appealed and all was dropped except 750, and he has his equipment, and I bet he never paid that. There are lots of hams that would like to see the citizen band done away with, and that's where most of them started. Go to the FCC site and type in CB, look at the letters and suggestions on file from ham operators. Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are hams, and cb'ers. I am very close to someone that is extra class, so in general I have nothing against them, but I have seen those with the 'better than thou' attitude for over 30 years now, and for what, just because they have an assigned licensed call, something anyone can get, if they really wanted it, surly anyone reading this forum could, if you are capable of operating a computer on the internet, those ham tests, at least thur general,that you can easily memorize, since they have the question and answers, and are multiple choice, are a walk in the park. Why do so many of them still talk CB, because that's were the fun is, not listening to some old sucker complain about things not being like they use to be. Well, enough on that subject, just wanted to give an opinion from someone that's been there and done it all.
Now, you asked the difference in the Mark IV and Mark IVa. They are both 40 channel, no difference in the looks, the receiver is the same on both, the transmitter is different. The Mark IV came out with a bad chip, and one that was hard to convert, or add channels, lots of the chips burned out in a month or so, they followed with a chip conversion, and then the Mark IV-A came out, with the different chip, that was stable and easy to convert. I doubt if very many of the Mark IV's with the orginial chip are still running, if I had one that had not been changed, I would worry every time I turned it off and on. I've had a couple the chip failed in just by turning it off. And, I have not been able to find the replacement chip for several years. The Receivers on both the IV and IV-A are excellent, they are all tube, but the intergrated solid state and tube design in the Mark IV was a lemon, because of the bad chip. I still much perfer the Mark III, the TX and RX are all tube, most of the parts are Collins, the tubes last forever, and are still available, even at RS. It's a little harder to install extra channels, but not much, it takes a crystal in the TX and RX, I generally put two crystals in each, that gets you up to 27.575, down to about 26.655. The clarifier, or band spread, will modifity for 30 kHz or better. Crystals are cheap, this conversion costs less that an expo kit. Well, I better quit, I've rite a book, ha, Scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 7:17 am: |
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Scrapy some of my best friends are cbers too like i said in almost 40 years of ham radio i dont think ive heard 5 qso's about thoes damn cbers. The people who want cb closed and all cbers shot think that a 30 WPM code test whould be given and you should have to build your own radio from scrach.The problem has is and will be the fcc. The FCC either needs to be funded or disbanded all regulations exsist only on paper. When is the last time you heard of FCC spot instections? .. excluding me they got me in 1977. The tampa office and ralph barlo are as useless as a bra on a boar. You know for 40 years all ive heard is all testing should be done away with and the people should be free to do what they want.No regulation leads to what you have on cb today this is why for more than 80 years the airwaves have been regulated by the goverment. The FCC needs a revamp if i was running the show the first thing i would do is get the funding to put inspectors back out cleaning up the mess that a total lack of funding has caused for more than 30 years. If the ITU in 2003 removes the code requiremant things will get very interesting however do not expect cb ever to be made a leagual hobie ant going to happen. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 9:11 pm: |
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Bruce, tell me friend, what is it about CB that you hate so bad, and that you think is so damn terrible, the only way you refer to it, is calling it a mess or a joke. And, why would you go to the trouble to write the FCC about old 23 channel radios, I guess e-bay would not listen to you huh.
Look at it this way, those people on CB are doing as they like, they bought their equipment just like you did. Sorry man, thats life in this country, the FCC decided long ago the ARRL is not gonna run the airways.
Old hardcore dudes that continually harassed them with suggestions and reporting someone they didn't like, helped them make their decision. I don't know why you would even want to talk to us old peons on CB. Did you ever hear of profiling, that's what you seem to do with CB'ers, you profile them all low class, or jokes, or fools that don't know how to describe or use their equipment.
Sorry about sounding off, but i've been in on both sides about as long as you have, the average ham or Cb'er is no better or worst than the general population, although it seems the CB'ers have a hellva lot more fun than the hams, and the hams seem to have more with 'attitudes'.
Someone made some remarks on this forum about the "Superbowl" guys, and I know the bleedover is bad from them sometime, but its just when Skip is running, and its every man for himself then anyway. The big thing is, they are enjoying themselfs, doing what they like, they are not a bunch of lowlifes, and some have more money in their mobile rigs than a big percentage of hams will every have in equipment..
You would be surprised how far up in business and the federal government some of them are also, you don't hear of them getting busted, do you. If any of you ever have a chance to attend one of the big shootouts, go to it, and see some real equipment, and meet one of the best bunch of people you will ever see. Bruce, ask the FCC about 50,000 watts in a 50,000 dollar Chevy Suburban, would you need a call sign for that, or just a handle.
scrapiron
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bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 7:56 am: |
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The problem is the FCC they are not doing the job the tax payer is paying them for. As for running the airwaves the real world they are being sold and will continue to be sold. See i dont have a problem i dont call e-bay the FCC or the boy scouts even if some people do and as for the fcc mail box my inquireing has always been for tech related questions a good example the 23 ch sets. You say i hait cb and cbers interesting go ask the guys on ch 20 who have been chating with me for as long as 20 years the'll tell you i realy gush of hate. You speek of profiliing and go read what MANY others write i find it interesting that the users of this forum rarely ever write about something that is ham radio related except to take time to bash hams... as big headed snobs... or worse people who beleve in laws god forbid. You know this is not a new problem and only because the CB band is remote from most other high priorty services has the inforcement been lax. It is well know as to what some people are will to spend on a radio again you seem to justy all this behavor by acting like if i can that makes it right. Back to e-bay if you realy want to know out of about 100 things ive bid on 50 were stamp related 40 were low band vhf and all others were the remaining 10 yes i even got a real nice rad-shack cb set MINT shape and yes im going to use it. Sorry to bust your bubble but im not a "old hard core dude" i dont sneek around looking for big bad cbers to report and except to stupity which i love to ridicule realy dont care what other people do.
bruce |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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Well Bruce, I'm glad your not a hard core dude, just hard headed maybe. ha. and I'm sorry the FCC won't do as you like. Also, I didn't mean that everything your favorite place, Radio Shack, sells is junk, although the new CB's they have now come pretty close to that description, in my opinion. Some of the older 40 channels were ok, but price and performance wise, they don't compare very well with other brands. Now, about people not making favorable or many posts on this forum concering Ham Radio, remember this, Copper Electronics, who are gracious enough to buy this bandwidth so we can shoot the bull, is mostly a seller of CB equipment, some of it will go either way, but for the many years I have known them, their business is mainly CB.
You stated that I shouldn't call RS equipment junk, well, you need to look back at your posts, and see that you have trashed about every brand of radio that Copper sells, and, that most of the people on this forum use. I don't know if its because you have tried them all, or just because they are in that group of equipment that you consider illegal. I have used most every brand of ham and CB equipment over the last 30-35 years. The present models of Galaxy, Ranger, Connex, Superstars, and others of this design, are the best equipment, cost and performance wise, that have every been on the market for use in and around the Citizens Band, again, my opinion, but it is an opinion made from using them. I've had 2000 dollar Ham HF rigs on my desk, comparing them to a Galaxy Saturn, on the citizens band, for weeks at the time, the Galaxy for all around use, AM,FM and SSB, was much better in my opinion, at a 5th of the cost. Of course if you use the other HF bands, the Kenwoods, Icoms and others are necessary. I guess we've about talked this subject enough, regards, scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 3:19 pm: |
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scrap in the last year from copper i have bought the dx-959, 2950, 2950dx, 3 rf preamps 2 matchboxes the as-100 numbers of conectors a d-104 a final edition d-104, books, antennas a 10 meter handheld so as for supporting them i do my shair. AS for trashing i ve been strate forward on why and I have been quite willing to give that a boys when the product was up to par and have avoided the export radios only because i dont use them and dont feel the need to become involved.Copper has always when i delt with them acted in a manor that when i have looked for a new product i always check with them first good example my ranger 5054 which lives up to ALL i expected of it it is a fine radio and too bad demand is not high enought that copper could carry it but sales would be extreamly small.
I hear rumors ranger may be comming out with monobanders for 20 and 15 if i would be willing to give them a try. |
Forummaster
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 4:53 pm: |
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Bruce,
The reason we don't carry the Ranger 5054 is because Ranger won't sell it to us. We have requested numerous times. They have stated if some other ham manufacturer starts selling to us they will sell us the 5054.
We are trying to purchase other ham equipment and hopefully will have something soon. As you can tell from reading this forum we have plenty of hams as customers. We would love to supply these customers with ham gear. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 8:19 pm: |
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Your kidding? sorry but your company with me has a spotless record of service and delivery of product on time. As for happy ham customers no doubt im one and try to buy from you on a regular bases. I dont get this one unless they have a agreement to sell these only to ham radio stores and then ... wondering out loud ... why?
bruce |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 9:21 am: |
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Hey Bruce, what would you take for those two old no-good, illegal export radios, the 2950 and 2950DX in a package deal. I know you wouldn't try to sell them on e-bay, so what'ya take for'em. Let me know, I think I know where I can get a couple of RS specials for a trade in. scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 10:38 am: |
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First the 2950 and 2950dx in not illegual infact i checked with the FCC BEFORE i bought it. As for rad shack im well stocked. Also im well stocked with alinco radios, yaseu and kenwoods. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 10:42 am: |
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Just curious, Bruce if you are a ham why are you hanging out on a CB radio forum?? Im sure there are several Ham only forums out there.
Just curious not trying to flame.. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 11:42 am: |
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WEll, gollyyyyyyyyy'a, bruce never thought I would get to post YOU some FCC rules. Below is from e-bay's rules page, it was added last year because of all the 'watchers'. They quoted it as a fcc rule.?? They also use to have a list of radios supposedly ruled illegal by the FCC because of the simplicity in converting to CB use, i.e. moving of plugs, soldering a wire, etc. Ranger, Galaxy and several more were on the list. At this time, by default, any Ranger or Galaxy would be rejected, never posted and the poster would get a warning. That's what got me calling e-bay by landline. I listed a Galaxy 959 I had traded for, and was perfectly legal. After my calls, the 959 was listed and sold. Sometime after that, they stopped the auto rejection, and, I guess the list of 'illegal' radios, as I can't find them anymore on their site. The list probably came from ARRL anyway, not the FCC. By this rule below, my Kenwood HF continious coverage rig, and probably your hf rig also, is not legal, since they are type excepted for the Citizens Band. What'ya think?? scrapiron
>>>Users may not list a high frequency transceiver that is designed to operate on frequencies outside of the ARS bands, if it has not been issued a grant of equipment authorization for the radio service(s) in which the transmitter is capable of operating. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 12:35 pm: |
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2990 i hang out in alot of radio places probley some that could get me in trouble ... but we all do that.. to answer your question directly except for a few there are lots of interesting people here i may or may not aggree with them and sometimes i outright disagree with them but like other places the wide aray of ideas makes this a neet place to pass through. As for being a ham trust me im a ham ... now no sly remarks please but never will you see me blanket condem thoes who use cb... even if i openly disigree with what they are doing |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 1:09 pm: |
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Hmm thats funny! I saw just yesterday a galaxy Dx 99 on Ebay and it was on its last day. Ill check to see if its still there... |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 1:13 pm: |
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Its still there!! LOL
Just type in Galaxy in the CB category and itll come up with a bunch of radios includng a couple of saturns, a Dx 66 and a 33 listed as "CB radios"!! So either someone at Ebay is asleep or they just overlooked them.. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 1:34 pm: |
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e-bay is not correct if you check with the FCC you will find the ranger is legual they are not happy with them and are tring to get them to make them not modifyable but according to there own lab as of today they are leagual for sale and use as a 10 meter ham radio. As for accepted for cb none of my hf radios are and acceprance is not required for any ham radio below 30 mhz. Who ever posted that needs to run it through again or maby what they tried to say is " IT must be type accepted for any service it is capable or modified to transmitting on" THAT would fly. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 1:52 pm: |
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I should have proof read my post, what I meant to say, the HF rigs are NOT type excepted for CB.
""By this rule below, my Kenwood HF continious coverage rig, and probably your hf rig also, is not legal, since they are type excepted for the Citizens Band. What'ya think?? scrapiron """
>>>Users may not list a high frequency transceiver that is designed to operate on frequencies outside of the ARS bands, if it has not been issued a grant of equipment authorization for the radio service(s) in which the transmitter is capable of operating. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 2:33 pm: |
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they are leagual for ham use but the FCC is very unhappy with them because it is so easy to put them on cb |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 3:32 pm: |
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Hey 2990, yeah I looked today and saw several of the "illegal" radios, even a 2510, it has a "buy it now" price of 175 bucks, anyone needing a good radio, that would not be bad. Back last year when I was giving them hell for kicking off my legal radio, and some that were not, the lady told be they were trying to make it harder for the squealers to squeal, so maybe they did. Or maybe we're keeping Bruce busy on this forum, lol, just joking Bruce, don't get your mouth out now. ha, scrapiron |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 7:48 pm: |
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No im making a list of of illegual christmas seals to turn iover to santa... since e-bay put a lock out on my e-mail |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 10:10 am: |
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Bruce I might take up stamp collecting, its a much better, non-violent, low-contact hobby when compared to CBs. ha
My wife has been an avid Stamp and sports card collector, about as long as i've been a CB and radio nut. The only difference, she has kept ALL of hers over the years, while I've been thur thousands of radios and related items. Which is good, as her collection just takes a couple of rooms, mine would have required a warehouse if I had all of them. I might have to come up with a more respectable 'handle' for stamp collecting than Scrapiron. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 7:14 pm: |
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scrapy like you if i had keeped all the radios ive been through there would be nothing left to sell on e-bay. I meen HUNDERDS of radios and countless side idems when we moved here last yesr i put out for the garbage 45 cb sets a dozen old am ham rigs mostly 2 meters WW2 surplus ARC-5, SCR-522 and box after box of tubes. Still brought with me enough toys to keep me going till the end.
Christmas seals are my main stay but i also collect US
bruce |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 7:40 pm: |
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Scrapiron63:For some strange reason I feel like you're in the metal business. |
409
| | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 10:41 pm: |
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WOW.....I have two old Whiteface and one Blackface Johnson I still fire up and use on occasion. You talking about outlawed....!!!!!!!!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 1:06 am: |
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no i worry more about inlaws... nice radios like i said they used a chain saw to cut a thread no exception to hunderds of radios. |
Biged
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 10:24 pm: |
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Have I been spelling the word "ILLEGAL" wrong all this time????? |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 8:13 pm: |
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not if your looking at my spelling my english teacher went to her grave thinking i was impossable |
Biged
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 10:38 am: |
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Bruce,
Just getting on you a little bit.I thought it was funny that you spelled it wrong every time.My spelling is terrible also. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 11:59 am: |
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The word illegal is used with proliferation (its' illegal to do this and its' illegal to do that and on and on!) in regards to most anything CB these days its IMPOSSIBLE to misspell it!!! LOL!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 12:58 am: |
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2990 there is still lots of things that are Not illegual... and radios to do them with. |
Robert Amity
| | Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 2:45 pm: |
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Bruce I have two Tempo#1 ssb Tranceivers in good working oder whats thier value |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 6:37 pm: |
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your best bet is e-bay thats a 25 year old set and your going to have to sell it as a classic which it is. The tempo 1s ive seen real world in good order clean brought 175-300 bucks but you never know on ebay... heck a QSL just sold for 2100 dollars. |
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