| Author |
Message |
    
Wolverine
Intermediate Member
Username: Wolverine
Post Number: 269
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 8:48 am: | 
|
Just curious, how many of you have radios that have never been modified with swing kits, NPC or PPE mods?, and are you still in love with the radios?. Are you satisfied with your stock radio's performance? These questions pertain to CB/SSB radios, exports, and Amateur radios. I believe that 1/2 of the forum members prefer bone stock radios, while the other half of the forum prefers modded radios. Am I right?? Forum members, Techs, and Moderators, lend me your answers, including the reasons for your preferences. Thanks in advance.
Wolverine |
Sitm
Intermediate Member
Username: Sitm
Post Number: 158
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 10:25 am: |
|
I have 27 radios. Only one has a digi scan in it. All the others are turned down to between 2 to 3 watts output. All the others are just as I received them. All are vintage radios over 10 years old, some 20 years old. They still work great. |
Barracuda
Intermediate Member
Username: Barracuda
Post Number: 278
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 10:46 am: |
|
I have a DX959 that has had a channelguard added and 4 diodes changed(detector and noiseblanker) + a new pot for the clarifier. Works well enough as is, no need for more in my opinion.
73 |
Bc910
Intermediate Member
Username: Bc910
Post Number: 213
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 11:01 am: |
|
Magnum S9 doesn't need anything, sooooooo ....
yes I have one thats not mmodded, probably my first too!
BC |
Racer X (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 3:52 pm: |
|
I mostly run Uniden Grants of various vintage and the only modifications I have performed are the installation of Channel Guard filters and speech processors.
I adjust the AMC and ALC to 100% with my station monitor and make sure the frequency and power are right where they're supposed to be - but that's all.
I've never been impressed by any power or swing modification as they don't do anything beneficial in my opinion. If I want swing I'll use SSB - which I do the vast majority of the time.
I must admit that when I was young, dumb, and lacking in test equipment and knowledge I ran radios that others had tweeked for me, so I'm sure they were adjusted for more than 100% modulation, but even then I made sure the limiters weren't clipped. |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 4259
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:04 pm: |
|
All of our radios have been Peaked and Tuned but NONE have the SWING, NPC or PPE Mods and NO Modulation Limiters have been Clipped / Removed or Modified.
Just never seen any reason to waste my time doing them.
SUPER SWING MODIFICATION? = How fast you can pull your money out to pay for it and swing it into the wind.
Most all of them have had a channel conversion / modification.
We are 100% Satisfied with all of them. 
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN  |
Rob5mike
Intermediate Member
Username: Rob5mike
Post Number: 135
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:50 am: |
|
All of my radio's,except one,are stock just peaked and tuned and I am very happy with thier performance.My PC68XL has the resistor cap mod to bring the dead key down to work with an amp. |
Patzerozero
Intermediate Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 261
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 11:23 pm: |
|
'Magnum S9 doesn't need anything, sooooooo ....
yes I have one thats not mmodded, probably my first too!'
that ole bc took the words right out of my mouth, of course it did need to be modded to cover channels...does that count? |
Bc910
Intermediate Member
Username: Bc910
Post Number: 215
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 11:41 pm: |
|
mine didnt need to be modded, just talked sweet to it for a while
|
Big_daddy
New member
Username: Big_daddy
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 2:52 am: |
|
I have a Cobra 29 WXNWST and the only mod (if you can call it that!) is a 350-watt Texas Star amp.
I've looked at some of the mods that can be done, but I don't think it would be wise, considering my cash flow situation. |
Racer X (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 5:23 am: |
|
The resistor/cap mod is a PPE or NPC mod depending how much was done.
BTW - Lowering the deadkey doesn't make your radio work any better with an amplifier unless it needs a low input - and most don't. In fact, if your amp is class C like too many are, it makes it worse. Class C amps are supposed to be used on FM or CW - some kind of emission that doesn't change output with modulation like AM does. The "swing mods" make your radio work less well with them, not better.
If you bought a class AB amplifier - which is what should be used for AM or SSB because it's amplification is linear - then the swing mods are unnecessary. |
Tech808
Moderator
Username: Tech808
Post Number: 4284
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 5:42 am: |
|
Big_daddy,
WELCOME TO THE COPPER FORUM.
When you get the chance read the TOPIC in the Open Forum Titled:
CEF RADIO CLUB WANT TO JOIN 
We would enjoy having you as one of our CEF Radio Club Members.
I can get all of you information from your Profile and just let me know if you would like to become a CEF Radio Club Member.
Our "5" REGULAR SUNDAY CEF Radio Nets start Every Sunday at: 10:00 AM CDT.
Lon
Tech808
CEF808
N9OSN
Tech808@copperelectronics.com |
Patzerozero
Intermediate Member
Username: Patzerozero
Post Number: 270
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 9:33 pm: |
|
ok, now, bc, go easy there, you're starting to scare me |
Gumball
Junior Member
Username: Gumball
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 9:53 pm: |
|
I have a Galaxy 93T, 959, and Connex4800. I have learned not to waste money on "swing kits" or any other "smoke and mirror" mods....
...been there...done that....sold the radio... |
Dx431
Advanced Member
Username: Dx431
Post Number: 943
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 11:38 pm: |
|
The topic reads: "Bone Stock Plain Radios/ No Mods."
Yall have radios that have had some sort of "Mod" done to them. Whether it be a cap mod or a channel guard added, its still a moded radio. I have a bone stock President Washington with no and I repeat NO mods done what so ever.
No swig kit,no clarifier mod, no clipping, no channels, no channel gaurd. Not a darn thing done to it. Just as it came from the factory. And thats the way I want it. |
Coyote
Junior Member
Username: Coyote
Post Number: 24
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:13 pm: |
|
I'm using my bone stock from factory TRC-453 and plan on keeping it that way. It talk's all over like it is, with a little help, but thats not a mod, is it?
CEF443 |
Wolverine
Intermediate Member
Username: Wolverine
Post Number: 270
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 3:18 am: |
|
Coyote, if your radio is bone stock from the factory, then that's what I'm talking about. Using an external to reach out and touch mother nature, is what most of us do anyway. Others might prefer using non-stock, modified radios, with an external amp to yell at mother nature "CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW"!!!. It's all in the personal preferences.
Wolverine. |
Tech291
Moderator
Username: Tech291
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 6:15 pm: |
|
ok,for no mods,I have;
RCI 5054dx 6meter
Midland 79-893 40ch ssb
Midland M-100 am only
Galaxy DX959
Panasonic RJ-3250
Uniden Pro530e
Had no reason to do any mods to any of them. |
Twa77
Intermediate Member
Username: Twa77
Post Number: 124
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 10:26 am: |
|
i run a bone stock pc 122 xl in my car and it works exellent. i sometimes run a bone stock uniden grant xl at home and it works good also. i am not a beliver in swing kits and all those other audio mods. with all the exports out there i see no reason to mess around with adding channels. if i want channels i will get a radio with channels. the only mod i would consider is opening the clarifier and that is it.
tony |
Tech833
Moderator
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 910
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 5:17 pm: |
|
The Tech 833 shack is 100% FCC compliant. I have no regrets either. I hear some of these radios that have been 'modified' and I believe they are disgraceful. If someone wants to sound different than everyone else SO much, why degrade your signal to do it? The distortion on some radios makes the audio so difficult to understand that if I do not listen real close, I miss half or more of the transmission. People seldom have trouble understanding me when I speak on the air. Go figure.. |
Racer X (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 5:30 pm: |
|
Ah - the consequence of clipped limiters. All of the detail of the voice turns into splatter on other frequencies and you're left with a signal that sounds a lot like the adults in the Peanuts cartoons. |
Tech833
Moderator
Username: Tech833
Post Number: 916
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 1:20 pm: |
|
It is not just clipped limiters. It also has a lot to do with this 'swing mod' that seems to be so popular. By pinching the carrier power to nil, all the information is exploding into the positive peak of the AM envelope. The receiver's AGC then compensates as it is designed to do and the 'swing' now becomes distortion and lousy audio. Sure, it might be a tiny bit louder than another radio, but certainly it is not as loud as a properly funstioning transmitter with a speech processor!
When I had the K40 speech processor plugged in to my RS mobile rig (for CEF ch13 nets), people always said I was so loud and asked what I was running. Also, lots of comments on the 'hi-fi' audio quality. Simple, do not exceed 100% nagative or around 125% positive peaks and use a speech compressor microphone. No voodoo at all. Oh, and I am told I sound exactly the same on the radio as I do in person. Imagine that... |
Racer X (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 6:57 am: |
|
I agree Tech833, although I think the effect is not as bad when the limiter isn't clipped. Just clipping the limiter when using too much output from a power microphone can cause distorted speech by causing the voice peaks (where the detail is) to become overmodulated and wind up on other frequencies as splatter.
Speech processing is the best way to higher average modulation and it allows your radio to remain unaltered. I prefer speech clipping processors - both AF and RF based. I own several models of RF speech processors and a couple of split band AF speech clipping processors - all of which are superior to compression processors in my opinion. The only drawback is that they are all boxes which are placed between the microphone and radio which is a bit clumsy to deal with in mobile operation.
Compression is far superior to no processing and is less expensive too. Anyone who has heard a Turner +3 or SSK knows how effectively compression can increase average modulation.
I don't think that most people realize that AMC circuits are low level audio compressors that actually serve to increase your average modulation level when they are left functional. |
Allagator
Advanced Member
Username: Allagator
Post Number: 545
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 7:38 pm: |
|
TEABERRY STALKER XV only been opened to cean the dust out of it !!!
only MOD is a new meter light !
|
