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Radiodude
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Post Number: 418
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 7:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lets say you have an airplane. Now you take a multiple magnet mag mount and stick it to the UNDERSIDE of the plane set your swr and take the plane up. The question is what is the polarization of the antenna??
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Allagator
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 7:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HUMMMMM GOOD QUESTION !!!!!!!
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Lowpowerhal
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Post Number: 251
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 9:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It would be non ground and be veritical polaization , just as marine radio, except not under water of course.But there is going to be a sticker of a question. where to mag mount the the antenna? Aluminum and magnets doint stick.If you found a place to stick it, It would come lose by the wind speed.
Just my thoughts could be wrong though!
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Dindin
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Post Number: 160
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 9:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

for starters,vertical polarity.secondly,no matter how many magnets you use they wont"stick"to the bottom of an airplane(fiberglass or aluminum).thirdly the F.A.A really,REALLY frowns on you "sticking"anything on the outside of your plane.(they dont want any thing falling off your plane and hitting KB in the head)as a sidebar if you could do all that(theoreticly)and flew a knife edge maneuver your polarity would then be horizontal.
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Radiodude
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Was sure you all knew that or assumed that a large piece of sheet metal was pop riveted to the underside!
But if you move the metal sheet to the side...then what do you have???
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Allagator
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what you would have would be a flying lightning rod !!!! LOL but then on its side it would be horz then just like a beem !!!
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Jon666
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Post Number: 224
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

boy now ive heard it all
a flying antenna
i bet you would have to have
alot of coax hehe
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Tech833
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Post Number: 733
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Been there, done that.

If you mount the antenna to the bottom of the plane and it sticks straight down, it is vertical.

Years ago, we did that in a remote area using lowband (CB) radios due to terrain. The ground crews could hear us in the plane with full scale no matter what, but could still not hear each other.. It was neat. Our gutter mount antenna was mounted to the landing gear strut horizontally with riggers tape over hose clamps (rented plane). The radio was some CB that was 23 channels (that's all there was back then) but all the controls and speaker were in the microphone, which was large.
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Mikefromms
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 7:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Up there in the air all you would need is a walkie talkie. Talk for a 100 miles.

mikefromms
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Tech833
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Post Number: 734
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

O.K. Mike, good observation. Now, answer your own question when it comes to elevation improving your coverage.

Will raising your antenna improve your coverage? You bet. Unless you use lossy cable to feed it. That is why I sing the praises of double shield cable (Like Times LMR series) and Heliax. Otherwise, most benefit of elevation is lost.
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Mikefromms
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 2:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But it would take 1000's of feet of coax to reach that airplane from my house. Is Times LMR series that good? he..he..he..ha..ha..ha..ha.

mikefromms
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Hawk1
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 4:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if in a plane i would just trail a dipole wire behind me ....hk
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Dindin
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 5:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hawk1,I just happen to have a Collins HF antenna coupler used just for that porpose,figure someday I would put it up on the tower for my swl longwire which hasn't got put up yet.
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Tech833
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Post Number: 740
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Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 1:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike,

I think you know what I meant.