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Doc
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 3:53 pm: | 
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HELP!!!Just set up a brand new a99 with GPK twenty ft off the ground,A galaxy 959 runing 4 watts with a 0 to 30 mhz inline filter,new RG-8U 40 ft,power mic and all are grounded to a pipe outside.The guy next door says im coming over his phone,computer,and his optimum online cable.What gives, in the old days the filter did the trick.Im stuck..........Now what?? Anything im missing... |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 6:06 pm: |
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Well Doc its like this
His phone ... if its wired a phone filter might help if its cordless o well either way its his problem thoes are part 15 devices
His computer is not a reciver so he needs to get some ferit filters from radio shack and bypass the audio leds from his audio output to his speakers also a part 15 device
his cable if your talking TV cable that the cable companys problem their cable has to be bad or his tv has a problem his problem
I had 2 959's there is no way if yours are stock they are going to CAUSE TVI .... THE FCC IS PLAIN IF YOU ARE LEAGAL AND ITS A PART 15 DEVICE ITS HIS PROBLEM. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 6:09 pm: |
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How far is his house from your antenna?
First of all if you are running a stock radio, no amp, its his problem.
Dont ground anything to a pipe!
He gets his water from the same source as you and the ground is just running right into his house!
Make an independant ground for your equipment. No rods over 8 feet.
I hate it when neighbors think its the transmitters fault.
Most computer speakers arent sheilded.
Mine are magneticly sheilded. No problems with it.
Now his online cable? what?
Explain how it interferes with his cable internet. Tell him to call his phone and internet companies and install filters.
Most people are nice to the're neighbors but im not since I have reasons no to.
My neighbor has gone to jail for tresspassing on my property. Maybe he will learn somday.
Taz |
Tech671
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 7:32 pm: |
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Remove your GPK, and wrap your coax tightly 8 turns and secure it just below where it screws into the antenna. |
Tech671
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 7:33 pm: |
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Oh yeah, turn the power mike down until you are less than 100% modulation (usually on an astatic d104m6b that's 2-3). |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 8:08 pm: |
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HUMMMM....... Remove GPK ????? why?????
Now the coil of coax is a old proven trick are you saying the GPK does not isolate the coax if not what use is it????? on the radio im asuming its stock. |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 8:19 pm: |
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Re Doc...
Bruce is correct in that the the devices you mentioned are not protected in that they MAY NOT cause interference and MUST accept interference if encountered.
In other words it is up to the manufacturer of said equipment to provide the required filtering. The problem is that much of todays electronics comes from places where there is no CB to be concerned with hence no filtering of any type built in at the point of manufacturing. Those cheap less than ten buck telephones are a good example.
Read the post of Bruce I will add to one of his suggestions and add one of my own.
The tv cable...This is entirely true if the cable has been 100% installed by the cable company. Per the rules and regs of the fcc the cable company must keep their signal enteirely within their cable system and keep all external signals out. If the party adds connections behind the cable companys back (to avoid paying the extra cost of extra hookups) then it is entirely his problem. Another thing that we frequently forget is that the common VCR and its many components frequently make great signal receivers acting like field strength meters passing on the received outside signal directly to the TV set.
Now my addition. He or she might also try a couple of wraps of the power cord around a Radio Shack snap core. The signals just might be comming into his stuff via his electric lines.
Lastly, I would also follow 671s recommendation to turn down your modulation if you use a preamp mike of any type so that your maximum voice peak never excedes 100%. Please note I stated "Maximum" not average. The goal in doing so is to keep your entire voice drive within the 100% envelope. If nothing else, this is just good radio common sense. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 9:00 pm: |
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First I would eliminate the water pipe ground.
Taz |
Rosco
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:01 am: |
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Bruce : I live in the country, here in Indiana and have no problem at all, with interfearing with my neigbors phone or cable. But In the city if a person complains, about CB interference, the police will knock on the door and normally give the CBer a warning to stop the cb interference. The next trip is a summons to court and a $25.00 fine paid. It doesn't matter to the police if you are running CB legally or not . Here it is if you are interfearing, if so your guilty. Rosco |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:55 am: |
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haha, rosco thats incorrect. I live in Phoenix and its around the 6th largest city in the usa.
I called the police just to see what they would say whe I told them my neighbr has a cb and is bleeding over my tv phone computer.
He just laughed at me! Seriously! |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 4:28 am: |
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Rosco
PLEASE get a copy of what law they are using see if it says LEAGAL or not if it does get a good lawyer .......
The FEDERAL law stated ILLEAGAL CB only local goverment can inforce laws to stop. If I was a lawyer after i got through with them we both have new cars! |
Tech671
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 5:46 am: |
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Bruce,
In past experience I installed a factory gpk to a 99 and it lit my neighbors up like a Christmas tree. Without you know what the pattern is. With it your immediate neighbors get hammered because the pattern BEGINS at an angle right into their roof tops.
I don't know if Maco still makes them, but they used to make an aluminum gpk that had perpindicular radials and it did not have this effect. |
Kirk
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:56 am: |
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I think we are assuming he grounded to a waterpipe guys...so lets let him clear that up. Doc, you need a separate ground for these devices. Don't share with water, electrical. I use 10 ft. SOLID copper ground rods, no Radio Shacker (which is copper clad). I found them at a Commercial Electrical supply shop. There is no reason to avoid 10ft. at all, unless you don't think you can sink 10ft. 2nd, I will suggest maybe a better place to get some ferrite donuts/beads. Go to http://www.palomar-engineers.com/ Better yet, call them! They are really nice people and can suggest several different ways to attack the problem. Much better than Radio Shack and not a whole lot more $$. 3rd, YOU DOC have to live next to this guy. Although the above comments are correct in that it is lawfully his issue, nobody seems to have the diplomatic sense here (or not suggesting it enough). Gimme a break guys! If my neighbor comes to me and tells me that I'm interfering with TV, phone,etc, I graciously go over and try to help solve the problem. I don't slam the door and say "it's you're problem."!! That seems to be the attitude I read in prior posts. The issue at hand is "the problem and how to solve it." Granted some neighbors can be a nusiance, violent, etc, but please, lets take the attitude of trying to help and explain why RFI happens to people. It is a pain in the neck....just like a barking dog! Do everything you can to help, but as DE and Bruce suggest, make it clear that you aren't financially/independently responsible for his RFI. And B.T.W I have cured RFI in my home with ferrite core and rods. They do work, but you have to get large enough cores to wrap several times. Radio Shack does not offer large cores that I know of. But make sure your swr is ok (minimal reject power), 4 watts/12 watt ssb, Low Pass Filter inline and no amp. If you have done all that, then you ARE in the clear as far as legal actions.
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bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:14 pm: |
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671 im well aware other than coax decoupling that is why you stated remove the GPK. How ever a 4 watt radio should not be causing the problems UNLESS he is mounted on THEIR side of his house and the phone/cable wires come into the house on HIS side. As for angle of radiation you again are corect the bent ones LOWER it which would place the lobe into the roof .... your trick of coiling coax is EXCELENT as is the ferrits cores Kert recomends ..... everyone knows im a big fan of them too.
Kert i agree with you that there are steps that he can take to help this and i was speaking from the LEAGAL point since the FIRST thing ive seen happen is they call the cops.... Been there had it happen. ASUMING the man will go along with you help him to understand what must be done however be carefull not to modify his stuff since you leave your self open for .... it worked till you touched it... let him do it with your help. It would be a good idea to get a copt of PART 15 off the FCC website and a copy of the FCC local CB inforcement law too. I stress the as a CB user you have RIGHTS if you are leagal it's too bad they build everything today with no sheilding AT ALL.
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bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:32 pm: |
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THIS IS THE LAW THAT PERMITS LOCAL GOVERMENT TO INFORCE CB RULES ..... NOTE ILLEAGAL CB
President Signs CB Enforcement Bill
NEWINGTON, CT, Nov 29, 2000--President Bill Clinton has signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain FCC Citizens Band regulations by state and local governments. Amateur Radio operators are exempt from the provisions of the law, now PL 106-521.
Congressional lawmakers saw the measure as a way to give a voice to those experiencing radio frequency interference resulting from illegal CB radio operation. The FCC will not yield its authority to regulate Citizens Band or other radio services, however.
In short, the measure authorizes states and localities to enact laws that prohibit the use of unauthorized CB equipment--consistent with FCC regulations. This would include the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that was not FCC-certificated (formerly called "type-accepted").
Specifically, the bill enables state or local regulation over the "use of Citizens Band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission" and "the unauthorized operation of Citizens Band radio equipment" between 24 and 35 MHz. FCC-licensed stations in any radio service--including the Amateur Service--are excluded from such state or local enforcement, and state or local laws enacted under this legislation must identify this exemption.
Anyone affected by the enforcement of such legislation could appeal to the FCC if they believed the state or local government had overstepped its authority under the new law. Any applicable state or local law would not preclude the FCC from enforcing regulations in a given case at the same time.
The new law also says the FCC shall "provide technical guidance to state and local governments regarding the detection and determination of violations" of any regulations localities might enact.
The bill--HR.2346 is the House version; it was S.2767 in the Senate--actually is the old Senate "Feingold bill" from several sessions ago. After introducing his original version a few years back, Wisconsin Sen Russell Feingold requested assistance from the ARRL to rewrite the measure to ensure that licensed hams could not be affected, that the bill featured a wealth of "due process" provisions, and that the concept of federal preemption over telecommunication activities wouldn't be compromised. The bill signed by the President is nearly identical to the Feingold bill.
The bill's sponsor, Rep Vernon Ehlers of Michigan said Amateur Radio operators encouraged him to introduce the measure in the House last year. Ehlers maintained that the local hams asked him to support the bill because of the bad rap they were getting from illegal CBers using high-power linear amplifiers that resulted in TV and telephone interference while the CBers involved hid behind federal preemption.
Ehlers says that when he was contacted initially by a frustrated constituent who had been experiencing TV, radio and cordless telephone interference, he thought the problem was an isolated incident. The CBer in question was using an illegal 100-W amplifier, he said, and the FCC told his constituent that it did not have the personnel to enforce CB lawbreakers around the country. Ehlers says he introduced his bill as a result.
As did Feingold before him, Ehlers asked the ARRL to review his measure to ensure that it would not unintentionally harm Amateur Radio.
The bill was amended in the Senate, which made a specific change requested by the American Trucking Association. The final version contains language with respect to CB gear aboard a "commercial motor vehicle" (as defined in Title 49, §31101 of the US Code) requiring that state or local authorities have probable cause that the vehicle or its operator was in violation of the regulations before they attempt to enforce such a statute. On the House floor, Ehlers said truckers were "worried about perhaps being harassed by improper use of the law."
During discussion of the bill on the House floor--as reported in The Federal Register--one member spoke of "rogue operators" whose routine CB radio operation at excessive power levels left victims "helpless" to defend themselves. "When these operators boost their CB power levels, it often causes bleeding into nearby frequencies," the congressman said.
The bill passed the House under suspension in September, and passed the Senate at the end of October under unanimous consent. The measure went to President Clinton for his signature on November 14.
A copy of the new legislation is available on the ARRLWeb.
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/
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Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:49 pm: |
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Kirk, thats the most sensible post thats been made on this subject. This 'get a lawyer' thing can be very expensive, I don't belive there's any 50 dollar ones anymore. And in the real world you try to get along with your neighbors, if i'm bothering anyone, I sure want to know it, and will solve it one way or the other. If my radio is causing complaints, I belive the police/law would have to look at it the same as any other complaint, such as you said 'barking dogs'. Everyone has the same rights, including your neighbors. I think Doc is trying to get suggestions as to solving the problem, not causing more by fighting with them. I've seen the same results as 671 on the A99 with GPK. I have an I-max 2000 that I plan on installing some 8' horizonal radials on, I like the antenna if I could keep it outta the house, don't use it very much because of this, and I have a beam that doesn't have the problem. I don't have to worry about neighbors, thank goodness. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 2:10 pm: |
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Scrap..... No doubt your right try your best to solve the problem. Getting should be the goal but what i have incountered is people who didnt even want to hear the fact that the problem was because of their sets. The FCC is useless and many cities have nunse laws which the local police will try and inforce.... if he is lucky this guy will understand what is going on and not call the cops. Here in florida its ok to offer them the knolege on how to fix the problem but if you touch the set you'll wind up being married to it. My last house even with 120 DB of filtering on my radio every time i went on 10 meter SSB running about 60 watts the jurk next door would call the S. O. who is most cases i knew from work and want me shut down! Computer are a big problem as are phones and your options are limited as to what you can do to help them at least in this state..... in my case they had a dirt cheep cd/sterio that he played rap on ....untill i got on the air. The problem with nunse laws is even though they are not valid unless they comply with pl-106-512 they will seese your radio it happend here in largo and took going to court for the guy to get his radio back.
If rosco finds out they have pased such a law someone needs to inform them and get a copy of it .... it HAS to comply if is doen't it is not a valid law the FCC and only the FCC can seese your radio otherwise. |
Spiderleggs
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 4:37 pm: |
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I have an incident that happened about 4 months ago that goes along with what Rosco is saying. A CB friend of mine lives about 50 miles away in a small town(around 2500 pop.). He had a 7 element jogunn on a 50 tower, and was right at 60ft. He ran a Cobra 2000, no mods with a d104, no amp. It interferred with a neighbor, who kept calling the locals. They warned him and he told them he was a legal operator. Finally they came to his home early one morning while he was on the radio(we all talked early before going to work) and arrested him and took him away in cuffs. When he tried to quote(don't think he had a copy of) the rules, the chief told him he didn't give a rats tail about the rules, this was his town, what what he says goes. They fined him $500 for breaking a local noise ordinance. He said he was tired of bickering with his neighbors, and he had the tower taken down and sold his station. Probably not worth getting a lawyer for, and he still has to live in this town, and would probably get harrassed for something else, if he had made a fool of the chief of police. Another CBer in the same area, but in a city of 50,000, has same problem, he has been threatened with arrest, but no action taken yet. He stays on only for a few minutes, before 6am, before the neighbors get up. He has a 3 element, has an amp, but the neighbors hear him bearfoot or not. So I guess it is how much it is worth to you. |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 6:12 pm: |
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Kirk,
Have you ever interfered with your neighbors? Well some neighbors hate it so much they wont allow you on their property to fix the issue, just like my neighbor did. My neighbor hates me so much he called the city for me having an illegal structure on my house and the city calls and left a message telling me that there was not ONE problem with it.
You dont know what its like unless you have been in the situation. |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 6:22 pm: |
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Doc,
a few months ago I decided to tackle a fairly tough TVI battle. Bruce was an immense help. I learned quite a bit from this forum and also what I had done wrong.
I have had zero complaints. The first thing I did was just as Kirk said. I listened, apologized, said I would do my best to fix things. Then I continuously went back very friendly asking specific questions, always smiling, ready to do my part. I have done much, and learned an incredible amout about TVI. I cannot say I can fix yours, but I will try to help you shortcut much of what I had to overcome with time.
Post your answers to the questions above and I'll try to help as well. Please though, be honest in your answers. If someone has "turbo tuned" that radio (i.e. cut the limiter), people here must know to give good advice. Yes you can work with a cut limiter if your careful as Hoosier Cardinal is well versed on in not overmodulating and sounding good. Let us know.
Alsworld |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 8:00 pm: |
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spiderleggs
What your saying is a officer of the law stated " He dosn't give a rat about the rules" if he was able to arrest which means a charge was filed and a fine levied by a judge that they have a law stating noise from radio devices or they better have. I think there is more to this but at any rate send me a e-mail with the name of the town and zip code and when this happend and ill see if they would send me a copy of that law. Lots of cities passed these laws including st petersburg and they cannot inforce them UNLESS you are illeagal
There is no way the FCC is going to allow them to exced the new law sounds like a small town bully to me. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 9:20 pm: |
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The following link is long but you will see that it is not local goverments right to regulate interferance problems..... its a sleeper bring your coffie.
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/rfi-legal/bill.html
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jyd
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:13 pm: |
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the chance of finding anyone except bruce,you know everyones radio is peaked out.nobody hardly ever runs 4 watts anymore. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 5:05 am: |
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JYD
I have NO doubt your right and its like running red lights if you do it and get hit..... O'well you took your chances. My problem with some of the comments is if some places are REALY arresting people for the use of a LEAGAL CB radio it needs to be looked ito since it violated federal laws some local yokal is way outside hie rights. There is NO provision in the law for local police to interfere with your use of a LEAGAL CB radio. I work for a sheriff dept and i know there is no way someone here would arrest anyone unless they had a law in hand to do so or a judges order other wise you know damn well someone is going to get suided I REALY want to see this law there had to be alot more to this.
Bruce
Bruce |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 8:57 am: |
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spiderleggs look at this letter
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554
FEB 14 1990
In reply to:
Christopher D. Imlay, Esquire
American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Office of Legal Counsel
1920 N. Street, N.W. Suite 150
Washington, D.C. 20036
Re:
Ordinance Regulating Radio Frequency Interference
Pierre, South Dakota
Dear Mr. Imlay:
This is in response to you letter of January 16, 1990, concerning an ordinance enacted in Pierre, South Dakota, empowering the City Inspector to investigate and prohibit emissions by radios and other electronic devices which cause or create interference to television or radio reception. You state that the City Inspector has enforced this ordinance against an amateur radio operator licensed by the Commission, and you seek an opinion concerning the validity of the ordinance.
Congress has preempted any concurrent state or local regulation of radio interference pursuant to the provisions of the Communications Act. See 47 U.S.C. § 302(a). Section 302(a)(1) of the Act provides that the "Commission may, consistent with the public interest, convenience, and necessity, make reasonable regulations (1) governing the interference potential of devices which in their operation are capable of emitting radio frequency energy by radiation, conduction, or other means in sufficient degree to cause harmful interference to radio communications..." 47 U.S.C. § 302(a)(1). The legislative history of Section 302 (a) provides explicitly that the Commission has exclusive authority to regulate frequency interference (RFI). In its Conference Report No. 97-765, Congress declared:
The Conference Substitute is further intended to clarify the reservation of exclusive jurisdiction to the Federal Communications Commission over matters involving RFI. Such matters shall not be regulated by local or state law, nor shall radio transmitting be subject to local or state regulation as part of any effort to resolve an RFI complaint.
H.R. Report No. 765, 57th Cong., 2d Sess. 33 (1982), reprinted at 1982 U.S. Code Cong. & Ad News 2277.
State laws that require amateurs to cease operations or incur penalties as a consequence of radio interference thus have been entirely preempted by Congress.
Of course, any member of the public may seek the Commission's assistance in resolving interference problems. The Commission's Field Operations Bureau (FOB) frequently investigate radio interference complaints and has prepared the enclosed pamphlets describing the various remedies available to address radio interference matters. Members of the public in Pierre experiencing interference may also wish to contact Dennis P. Carlton, Engineer -- in- Charge of FOB's Denver Office at (303) 236- 8026.
I trust the foregoing in responsive to you inquiry.
Sincerely yours,
Robert L. Pettit
General Counsel
cc: City Inspector, Pierre, South Dakota |
Kirk
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 9:25 am: |
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Taz, I have had problems in the past with RFI and neighbors. I have never had one so upset that he/she wouldn't listen. I realize everyones situation is different and I really feel for ya that your neighbor is so resistant. You have the right to feel the way you do simply because only YOU have had to deal with this person. I don't cast any judgement on your reaction to him [your neighbor], rather I just suggest that we don't get too emotional in our response as to "apply" our own cicumstance to someone else. Your first (actually 2nd) resonse to Doc's question was "First of all if you are running a stock radio, no amp, its his problem." True! And both Doc and neighbor should know that, but if Doc assumes the attitude behind that response, he then becomes defensive upfront. I have lived life enough to know that a gut-reaction to these issues is not the best. Talking and thinking and most of all, compassion to one another is the key element to harmony in neighbors. Nuff said here....Taz...I wish you the best and I hope you continue to do all that you can to be the best the best you can be! |
HoosierCardinal
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:40 am: |
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Yup there are ways to sounds bodacious and NOT cutting limiters. IMHO thats the reason for a LOT of interference problems caused by radios that have the AMC circuit defeated or entirely removed. I know because ive had this happen to me not the interference deals (ive been very lucky with the neigbors here were i live but i do bother the radio room TV from time to time) but the crappy sounbing radios with the limiter removed and then me trying to run a D 104 and having the radio sqeal like a stuck pig.... |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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Bruce, thats the big problem, probably 99% of "us" Cb'ers are not legal, and that's what would keep me from sleeping well if I knew I was bothering some neighbors. IF they complain enough, the boys with the gold badges are gonna check you out, and if you are not legal, your in trouble, plain and simple. You work in a large system there I suppose, and they keep everything according to rules, or try to, but some of these small town police and sheriff departments make their own rules, its according to who you know.
Hey, another subject we were talking about, the fraud that E-bay allows from its 'power sellers', and letting them get by with anything. This was in the news yesterday, here's a link to it, even after these people showed proof of fraud, e-bay still did nothing.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/818257.asp?pne=msn |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 4:19 pm: |
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Well, the point of my post was to add another point of veiw to this pile here. Just incase his neighbor is the same way.
"Taz...I wish you the best and I hope you continue to do all that you can to be the best the best you can be!" Thanks
Taz |
Moderator558
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 4:33 pm: |
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http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions/Dxers/coax-rf.html |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 6:31 pm: |
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Scrap there are 3000 employees in PCSO 800 are support like me 200 are admin and 2000 are ceritified officers. Our agency all of us from people like me to the top dog on the street have a rule book that we are bound too and the enforcement people have a 2nd book on thoes rules too. What has been stated about arresting someone for " Noise " just would not happed here how ever the officer will make a report and they will check to see if firther action is needed ..... such as code or building people. Now in this county they are working ( and have been for a while ) on a CB RADIO interferance law complyant with the FCC rule if it goes the officer would warn you of a problem and if more problems arose he will cite you and you can tell the local judge but the draft i saw you will have lots of time to clean up your act.
Bruce |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 6:39 pm: |
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558 the MFJ uses exactly that coil it works GREAT! |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 7:23 pm: |
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scrap on e-bay i dont buy much anymore i got burned too many times I noted the story was on colectables im a stamp / christmas seal collector. I know what im doing but its sad to see a block of 4 1944 starting price is $9.95 when a sheet( 100 per sheet ) is worth about ONE BUCK..... reminds me of thoes old junk radios that are CLASSICS most aren't.
Bruce |
Spiderleggs
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 7:40 pm: |
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Bruce, we tried to tell him that the police did not have a case against him, but he just wanted to drop the matter. He was charged with an ordinance that applies to loud music; he was disturbing the peace with his interference. Like I stated earlier, the chief told him he runs that town. It is a small town with a chief and around 3 to 4 officers I believe. I told him someone (you) wanted to look into the matter, but he told me kind of sternly to drop it so I will leave it at that. As you said, it may be more to it, but in talking to others in his area, he did take down his station. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 10:12 pm: |
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spider give him copys of the leters i have posted he has had his rights violated he needs to get a copy of the charge and send all to the state find who is in charge of the leagal department and get copys of my leters the ordinance they charged him with ( IT IS CLEARLY ILLEAGAL ) To all others if you are charged with this UNDERSTAND they do not have the right to do this even if you are illeagal they must have a complyant law on the books or THEY are breaking the law and there are LOTS of hungry lawyers out there.
BRUCE |
jyd
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 10:48 pm: |
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when the fcc means 4 watts,that deadkey right bruce? |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 6:42 am: |
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4 watts dead key or it would state 4 watts @ 90% modulation or whatever to be honest if they found it to be 4.1 i dont think they would be too upset.
Also if i remember right you can run up to 7 watts input to the final stage to get 4 out.... but i wouls not lose sleep over it LOL |
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