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DOUG
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:21 am: | 
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HELLO TO ALL
MY QUESTION IS , IS IT LEGAL TO OWN A EXPORT RADIO
? THE RADIO COVERS 10 AND 11 METER. I BOUGHT IT ON LINE WITH MY CREDIT CARD.
THANKS DOUG |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:48 am: |
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No not even if you are a ham. For some reason the fcc will not accept even for ham use the so called export radios. I would think their reason is because they convert so easly to cb. No radio can be used if it covers BOTH cb and say 10 meters. The rangers are on the edge of all of this as long as they are stock. As to a particular radio i would run that past the fcc |
Tech181 (Tech181)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 12:33 pm: |
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Doug,
Yes. It's perfectly legal to own such a radio.
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
IH8EEI
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 3:49 pm: |
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Dougy, if you have a Ham ticket, you can transmit on 10 meter. Anyone can transmit on 11 meter (citizen band). Export radios are sold for export to other countries where laws dont prohibit their use, hence the title "Export Radio". If you used your credit card to purchase an Export Radio, I assume you are exporting it to someone out of country. Why would you buy a radio with 10 meter capability if you dont have a Ham ticket and arent knowledgeable in repeater use? If you dont have a Ham ticket, there are plenty of wonderful 11 meter radios available for less than the price of an Export Radio. Try a Cobra or Galaxy CB. Since you work for EEI, you should know this. |
vernonott
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 5:02 pm: |
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Doug : I don't care to discuss what is legal or not legal but I can tell you that if your radio shack was searched by uncle fcc they would take all of your export radios ,even the one's sitting around not being used.However if you were to use the export responsibly the chances of your radio shack being searched would probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 in 100,000,000. |
FirebirdTN
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 7:14 pm: |
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I have to jump on this one...
There are two different answers here...what IS the real deal?
Also, was the 2510 considered a "export" radio. If I am not mistaken, they were legit to sell in the US as a 10 meter HAM rig (I know its illegal to modify them for 11 meter use, but I am wondering what *if any* 10 meter mobile radios can be leagally owned/purchased in the US that are *capable* of an 11 meter mod. Just in case I am not saying this right...For example, the 2510 is a legitimate 10 meter mobile HAM rig, but if I am not mistaken, the Lincoln (which is almost the same darn thing) isn't even allowed to be sold in the US...I was under the impression the Lincoln was an EXPORT ONLY radio...
Also, this HAS to be a touchy subject. A radio that is easy to convert shouldn't automatically disqualify it from being sold in the US. If that was the case, my Kenwood TS450S/AT wouldn't have been legal. For the MAR/CAP mod, you snip one diode, and then the radio will XMIT/Recive from 160 Meters straight thru 30 Mhz...
Just curious, if anyone knows, lets hear it! |
birdman
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 7:27 pm: |
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Doug,
Are you an EEI employee? Are you here to cause problems?
Birdman
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vernonott
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 7:40 pm: |
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FirebirdTN : I don't try to keep up with all the gray areas of the rules ,but I can tell you I have purchased two President Lincoln radios in the U.S. |
vernonott
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 7:48 pm: |
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Birdman: There is no way any EEI employee can cause any problems on this forum.When they wonder in to this forum they see the light about telling the truth to the best of their knowledge.After they have lived and breathed the sin and lies on the other forum this forum is like a breath of fresh air.Oh, was I preaching a sermon?No, just stating the facts. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 9:00 pm: |
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I went to the fcc web site and we are all right the rule is if the radio is type excepted for ham radio use then export or not it it is ok if it is not it is not so you have to check to see if it is. That's it |
vernonott
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 9:26 pm: |
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This is my last post on this subject .As you know from past experiences discussing rules is like discussing politics,it goes on & on & on.Now rules do change and I don't keep up with them or do I care to.I do know that over twenty years ago a agent from the FCC told me in person that it is illegal to have in your radio station (this is for citizens banders)any CB radio that talks on more than forty channels and/or transmits more than 4 watts output.He stated that even if it is not hooked up and put away they consider that you have intent to use it at sometime.This also goes for amplifiers capable of use on 11 meter.Maybe the rules have been changed or relaxed.This is it for me on this subject.Bruce ,Please refrain from that agonizing feeling you have to respond with reotoric from the FCC web site.73's |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:00 pm: |
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I think Bruce has the same right to try to answer the question that was asked as do the rest of us. There just might be another point of view or some extra info to share that you didn't know or even think of... |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 10:27 pm: |
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What? Ive alway wondered why whould you call something a export radio if it is already ok ?
On the FCC web site they dont like them but if it is within rules for a 10 meter radio they cannot do anything about it. Vernonott a honest question was asked several people kicked it around and thats all ! |
Tech181 (Tech181)
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 12:50 am: |
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Whoa gentlemen! I think you guys are missing the point. Doug's post asked if it were legal to own one of these radios. He didn't ask if it was legal to use them. I think the disclaimer that accompanies the sale of these radios says it all. For export USE only.
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
Hammunition
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 2:01 pm: |
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Folks, dont argue with Bruce. He has the FCC website on speed dial in his browser. His tireless and incessant personal spins on each law have earned him a special place within this forum. Bruce is like that old friend with coke bottle glasses that annoys you but that you never forget to pickup for those weekend outings, just to keep things interesting. WE LOVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU BRUCE!!!
Come on Vernonott, give Bruce his propers!! |
707
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 2:23 pm: |
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the answer lies in the wording of the regs which state something to the effect of "you can't have the controls which enable the 11m transmit capability accessible from the outside of the radio" (I don't have time right this sec to hunt down the exact wording)when dealing with 10m radios in the ham shack. This would pretty much preclude the legal use of a modified 2510 or 2950, etc. which take only a keystroke to put in 11m mode. |
HONKY TONK MAN 593 OUTTA NC
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 7:20 pm: |
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WHO CARES RUN EM IF YOU GOT THEM AND IF YOUR TO WUSSY TO USE IT STAY OFF THE AIR WAVES!!! |
badintermod
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 9:03 pm: |
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I am a licensed Amateur and I do not feel guilty about using my Yaesu on 11 meters, It will always outperform any ranger or galaxy on sideband. and my heil goldline boom mike puts a d-104 to shame. I will operate where ever I want. and as long as I use a little common sense I will have no problems. |
Metro
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 9:32 pm: |
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A guy in my city saved his buddies life with an illegal radio, his friend had a head injury on mountain biking ride and help was summoned with a modified handheld. I bouhgt my VR9000 among other reasons(a little innocent DXing) , to be prepared. If while out in the middle of nowhere I need a chopper, I will be able to make contact and get the help I need. Responsible people do not abuse these radios.
Metro 4467 |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 10:27 pm: |
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Metro Strangly it is not illegal to use anything to request help if a life is at stake. This rule of radio is as old as radio. There is a procedure you must follow but the use of anything in the saving of life is within the law. |
metro
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 11:52 pm: |
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Procedureshmoschere, when the guy who had the illegal handheld was caught because of this whole thing he was fined and had his radio confiscatd, all for saving his buddies life!!!
Metro |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 12:18 am: |
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ok what i was saying was to make the act legual you must file a report with the fcc giving details of why when where and doctumentation of the fact your act saved this persons life. Ofcourse no one is going to do this and to be frank i dont think the fcc would realy care. But your act does not violate the law and exactly how they would handle it since this is so rare would be at best intresting. By the good job i hope your friend has recovered ! |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 12:39 am: |
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One quick comment when they added this to the basic rules of radio the idea was you find someone down in the street he needs help bad he has a radio you pick it up and call for help he is saved by your use of his or any radio which you are not licensed to use. You are protected by this rule. THEN you got to file the paperwork which no one ever will Thats it! |
HAM CBer
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 11:29 am: |
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Bruce: What paperwork? What 'magic form' can you fill out that allows you to get away with pirating any frequency you desire in the name of saving a life? I fill out FCC forms all the time and I have never seen this document.
It is a FACT that you cannot simply use any radio frequency you want if a life is at stake. As ridiculous as common sense says this is, that is the law. Look it up on your speed dial (couldn't resist!)
By that logic, you should be able to use your modified ham HT to get on your local P.D. frequency directly and ask the dispatcher to send help because you see someone who has been shot and is dying. Yeah, the cops would show and what not, but you WILL be hassled by the FCC.
Way back in the old days, people used to throw this around all the time. However, these days, owning a radio that is capable of transmitting anywhere is a reality, and the old wives tale has been proven untrue. I admit, it sounded good when I was a kid, but now that I am in the business myself, and wiser in general, I know it is not true.
I would LOVE to see someone quote from the current FCC rules and regs a line or two on this. I couldn't find a thing myself. |
vernonott
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 3:21 pm: |
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No comment!The doctor says I need to keep my blood pressure down.73's |
Hammunition
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 6:02 pm: |
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Bruce, remember what I said about speculation on your part? Bruce? Bruce? You arent in a forum comprised of teenage DX'ers. We are folks ranging from law enforcement to engineers. You just took another beating with your interpretation of FCC policy and procedure. Even unbeatable heavyweight champs dont weather continual beatings. Lets stick to things we have absolute knowledge about. Again, I suggest you steer away from your outrageous attempts at being a jailhouse attorney. OK?!!
Vernonott, Ill help to keep that hypertension in check. 73's |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 11:31 pm: |
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Interesting question at hand... I wonder if:
a. a ham operator in possession of modified business/public service band equipment that is generally used for amateur bands but still capable of transmitting on public service frequencies, and uses said equipment to transmit a call for help or aid for a life threatening situation, would be prosecuted or have the equipment confiscated?
b. an unlicensed individual who owns a public service band transceiver that he/she uses generally for monitoring, but in one instance is compelled to transmit a call for help or aid in a life threatening situation, would be prosecuted or have the equipment confiscated?
c. an unlicensed individual is, for emergency purposes, compelled to take control of and utilize in an illegal manner equipment belonging to another unlicensed individual, would he/she be prosecuted for this indiscretion and/or the actual owner be prosecuted and/or equipment confiscated?
d. What constitutes an emergency situation of sufficient gravity to warrant illegal operation of equipment?
I've fired off some emails to three FCC commissioners and a field office inspector with these questions. We'll see if there is an answer to these burning questions...stay tuned. |
Hammunition
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 3:15 pm: |
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Buring questions?!?!? The bottom line is WHO CARES!! If someone is in need of immediate help to save his or her life, I am going to do whatever it takes to summon help no matter what the cost. God help us all if someone got on one of your "precious" bands to interrupt another "midnight coffee and cigarette world summit" to save a person's life!
Really folks, lets not turn this forum into another "what if" scenario. Use your radio responsibly and let's stop quoting FCC policy. If someone crosses the line, let the FCC decide whether or not it occurred with criminal intent. Saving a human life merits deviation from the rules. If you lost a radio for saving a life, SO WHAT!! A radio is not worth a human life. Id gladly donate my radio for ANY human life. Think logically folks!!! Gee, save a life? Better not! You know the FCC rules are gosh darned strict!!
SEE WHAT YOU STARTED AGAIN BRUCE!!!! Vernonott, send me some of that hypertension medication PLEASE!! |
snowman787
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 1:17 am: |
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Preach on hammunition! I couldnt say it better myself. |
Sarge
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 4:15 pm: |
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Is it legal to own or legal to use? That is the question.
In the radio world it is usually illegal to operate on frequencies you are not licensed for. This is the loophole used by dealers to sell you equipment that is not legal to use. There is no law against selling the equipment, just using it. So the dealer makes his money and it is up to you to avoid the wrath of the FCC.
The amateur radio service is the only one I know of that does not require type-accepted equipment. You can build your own radio from scratch or a kit if desired. However, equipment made commercially for the amateur radio service must be type-accepted by the FCC.
All other radio services are required to use only FCC type-accepted equipment. This applies to CB, even though a station / operator's license is no longer required. Obviously the FCC will never grant a type-acceptance number to an "export" radio that exceeds the technical specifications for the Citizen's Band radio service. The funny thing is that the US has the most expanded or liberal specifications concerning the number of authorized channels and power output. So the term "export" is a joke. The "export" radio is not legal in the US, nor any where else on earth. So what location do they think they are going to "export" it to? It really doesn't matter since it is up to the purchaser to ensure the equipment complies will the radio regulations in their location.
Again, it all boils down to the fact that it is legal to sell "export" radios, legal to own "export" radios, but illegal to use them on the CB bands. But as Vernonott pointed out, the FCC tends to confiscate any and all non type-accepted equipment when they raid your shack. It's just that the chances of a FCC raid are very low unless you have made a public nuisance out of yourself. In the past the FCC has indicated that if you are caught with a linear amplifier and do not have a license in a radio service where it's use is allowed, it will be assumed that you have used it on CB even though it is not even hooked up. This is an example where the mere possession of certain types of radio equipment can get you into hot water with the FCC.
On the other hand, I don't see why it would be illegal to use an "export" radio on the ham bands, provided you have a valid license for 10-meters. Lots of commercial business band VHF and UHF equipment has been converted to ham use, especially for repeater duty. As long as the equipment puts out a clean signal and meets the other technical specifications for the Amateur Radio Service, I don't think the FCC is too concerned.
Rule of thumb: You can take anything you want and modify it to run on the ham bands. However, you cannot take any amateur radio equipment and modify it to run on other radio service frequencies (except for MARS and CAP operations, both of which require a license). Your chances of being inspected by the FCC for running non type-accepted equipment is virtually nil, unless you have prompted numerous complaints to the FCC concerning your operations.
If you bootleg on a frequency for which you are not licensed, it is illegal and the FCC will expect a full explanation (if they catch you). However, when a person's life is a stake I say toss the rule book out the window and get the job done. You can always explain your actions to the FCC later, and if they don't like it at least you will have the gratitude of the person whose life you saved. |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 7:43 pm: |
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Sarge: I wouldn't touch this subject again with a ten foot pole,but thanks for giving your opinion. |
Copper_Fan
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 8:36 pm: |
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§97.403 Safety of life and protection of property
No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human life and immediate protection of property when normal communication systems are not available. |
Copper_Fan
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 8:39 pm: |
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§97.405 Station in distress.
(a) No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station in distress of any means at its disposal to attract attention, make known its condition and location, and obtain assistance.
(b) No provision of these rules prevents the use by a station, in the exceptional circumstances described in paragraph (a), of any means of radiocommunications at its disposal to assist a station in distress.
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/e.html#405 |
Tech181
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:44 pm: |
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Oh jeez, not this again. Someone go find bruce and tie him up! LOL
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
Hamcber
| | Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 1:09 am: |
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I give up!!!! Do whatever you want!! I don't care anymore! |
Tex 319
| | Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 4:30 am: |
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YAWN |
phineas
| | Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:08 am: |
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If some ole drunk guy can have 50000 watts on his AM CB station and the FCC isnt down his throat, I cna own and operate an export radio. |
Copper_Fan
| | Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 6:41 pm: |
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just thinking out loud (quote from papa smerf)
a Pontiac Trans-Am with Ram-Air can surely exceed the speed limit so i will not buy one cause its against the law to exceed the speed limit,,,,,,,,,,,, but i guess i could always buy a GEO Metro and be happy with a small car like that.
WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT POWER AND SPEED I WILL DRIVE THE RAM AIR T/A OVER THE SPEED LIMIT IF I DESIRE AND I TAKE THAT RISK OF GETTING CAUGHT!!!! (of course i would not do it in a manner that would endanger the innocent people around me)
WITH THAT SAID:
I WANT A BIG RADIO WITH A BIG AMP PUTTING OUT 50000 WATTS SO I CAN TALK TO THE LOCALS ON ANY FREQUENCY I WANT ITS MY RISK SO NANANANANA 
Just buy the radio and have fun lifes to short |
Hamcber
| | Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:43 pm: |
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What if I'm not old (38) and I don't drink (never touch a drop)? And 50,000 is only if the drive level is too low? What does that mean? |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 8:19 am: |
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Hey did someone call??? my ears are ringing !
No im not gong to stir the pot on this again from what i was told by the fcc it is not illegual to use a " export" radio on say 10 meters since type exceptance only applys to radios made above 30 mhz as for 50,000 watts the inviremental waccos will have a ball sueing you for causing brain damage to some endangered lizzard near your home but the fcc will only care if they get a call from them. |
Hamcber
| | Posted on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 11:54 am: |
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The environmentalist wackos have not sued any of the high power SW, BC stations I have helped build or maintain. And some are much more than a mere 50 KW.
So far, me not brain damage have too. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 2:53 pm: |
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ha ha ha uses is rightt we is verry normall
but the jurks have added a hole new part to radio law now RF radation safey is a part of fcc rules to think how many years i worked in R&D and engineering at 1-200 ghz high power and no one ever worried about our black flim badge. |
Taz
| | Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 8:02 pm: |
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thats kind of funny how doug only posted one message, where did he go? |
badintermod
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 2:09 am: |
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Almost all Yaesu, kenwood and Icom Hf rigs will freeband and operate on 11meters with a simple gen coverage tx mod, and nobody starts bashing those radios. My yeasu ft-840 will tx on all hf bands including 11 meters and it is still legal, but I am also in Civil Air Patrol and participate in Mars. So AES sent the radio to me already converted..... |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 3:10 pm: |
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BECAUSE of CAP / MARS the fcc rule is it can be converted to cover all the frequencys HOWEVER if you transmit with it it MUST comply with all type exceptances for all bands it is used on AND you must be licensed to use them. Reciving is ok no problem. This is the loop hole which allows must modifiable radios to be sold under. Now AES usaly requires proof of license before they will convert a radio wether they still do that i don't know. I own a FT-840 with all filters and fm it is a fine radio very stable reciver and will hold its own aganst most everything out there but mine is NOT modified.
bruce
radio-doctor@juno.com |
RM HARRIS
| | Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 11:30 am: |
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If you are not infringing on someone else priledges, enjoy.There alway someone wanting to control what you do an there is those willing to walk in their on shoes. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 12:57 am: |
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RM HARRIS you ARE the exact reason most hams distain " freebanders " think of what you are saying you are NOT allowed to use thoes frequencys because someone else has them how would you like it if someone took over all 40 cb channles and your radio COULD NOT be modified HA?
That is what has happened to the users of the 27-28 mhz range. You will never justfiy that nonsense to me or anyone else who has a lick of sense. |
Harpoonman
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 11:33 am: |
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Well, I'm curious,
I realize that the 27.4150 to 29.9950 MHz range is allocated for other entities to use, like government and maybe even industrial groups (I don't remember exactly how this range is allocated). But, my point is that WHO, if anyone besides international "CBers" and domestic freebanders, uses these frequencies legally? I mean, I've listened extensively to this range of frequencies for many months now, both during the day (peak skip times) and late at night when the band is very quiet, and I've never heard anyone or anything that was not some sort of CBer using these frequencies.
Is this because the legitimate users of these frequencies have already been run off by the freebanders, or is it because there never were any (or very few) legitimate stations in this range to begin with?
I also realize that, even if these frequencies are almost totally unused by legitimate services, this doesn't make their use by freebanders necessarily right. But, frankly, I would be quite a bit less concerned about using these frequencies if I knew that they were never really used that much to begin with.
Please understand! I'm not suggesting that those of us without ham licenses transmit wherever we please. I, too, am working on the General ticket (ploddingly, of course), mainly because I want to go "other places", in addition to 11 meters, without worrying about whether I'm doing something illegal or whether or not I'll get caught, etc.
I'm just curious if anyone here knows what/who the frequencies between CB and 10 meters were/are allocated for and if they were ever used frequently or regularly by legitimate services prior to being invaded by freebanders (whenever THAT was)?
73s
Harpoonman |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 4:26 pm: |
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Excellent question,one that someone like Bruce Law will have to answer. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 9:27 pm: |
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They were used by a number of agencys untill the bootleging got so bad they gave up and left now remember these people were ASIGNED a frequency by the FCC they did not have to abilty to move +/- on channel when they got steped on there was no where for them to go except to VHF/UHF which they did in the 70's. The problem which is being side steped is it does not matter if these frequencys are never used they belong to someone who payed good money to use them and is licenced to do so. I am not picking on anyone i just want you to think past your nose if i walk up on your drive way jump your car ( the one you never use ) and drive away would i be able to justfy it by telling you i liked that car and you never use it so i took it over ? I know you dont want to hear this but one of the reasons intruders are jump on by the hams is if you get a few like a cold they spread soon you have whole parts of bands with bootlegers on them and little you can do to run them off. The 27.25 to 27.4 band was given up by the fcc in the hope they could control the problem but as soon as it was they moved to 27.4-28 The point is if you feel that the useage of these frequencys is incorrect and you feel that you have a right and a need for there is a way to go before the fcc and get them realined into the CRS. Untill then watch your car |
Harpoonman
| | Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 4:46 pm: |
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Bruce wrote:
I am not picking on anyone i just want you to think past your nose if i walk up on your drive way jump your car ( the one you never use ) and drive away would i be able to justfy it by telling you i liked that car and you never use it so i took it over ?
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This is a good point, I must concede. But, whatever the various reasonings may be, it would appear that the frequencies above 27.4050 MHz are, in fact, now "CB" frequencies, even if not legally or rightly so.
So, in this case, what should the FCC do, or better, what should the American Public expect the FCC to do regarding freebanding and bootlegging of these frequencies? Is there anything that the FCC *CAN* do? Regardless of the legal versus illegal argument or the right versus wrong argument surrounding the use of these frequencies, I feel the FCC is (or would be) fighting a losing battle if they REALLY attempted to clean up this band. There are simply too many freebanders and too little FCC. Trust me, the FCC is not sufficiently staffed to make this sort of attack!
In the long run, I believe that 11 meters is lost to the FCC, at least as far as they are concerned. Without MAJOR, MAJOR funding to increase field staff and focus enforcement on this band, they would never be able to get a handle on it (even if it IS the right and proper thing to do). And I don't think Congress will make such allocations for the purpose of rounding up the freebanders and such. I work for Maryland OSHA, an enforcement agency that like its Mother, federal OSHA, is never going to be able to truly enforce occupational safety and health rules and regs in the greatest majority of work places in this state. There simply are too many places we need to see and not enough of us. It is the same for the FCC, I'm afraid.
Oh, and yeah, you should know that my car is named Christine. I got her from some writer up in Maine for real cheap. Let's just say that she has a mind of her own and that of the two thieves who somehow managed to break into her, one is 6 feet under and the other is currently up at Juniper Hill Asylum!
( I'm kidding!)
73s
Harpoonman |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 9:50 pm: |
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strange all these unemployed and no one has enough manpower. I fully understand the fcc is not going to do anything the tampa office exsists only on paper even if you get through to something that is breathing you more than not will get a brain dead response as for christine good for her I have 2 cars both set up for HF/VHF/UHF moble if someone is in one of them with over 1000 dollars of radios under the dash at 2 am what is left after my dog gets her shair is mine ( NOT KIDDING ) See the problem was not started by a cb er but by the FCC over a 40 year period doing nothing even when they had lots of man power the tampa office did nothing just sat around waiting for that gov retirement. I do not blame the cb user for the fact that the watch dog is on prozac and like any other user when the cats away the mice will play |
Hamcber
| | Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 10:23 pm: |
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Don't worry about it....
Every time the solar activity decreases and the skip goes away, so does interest in the 'dark channels'. VERY few local areas use the frequencies above channel 40 for their local 'round table' discussions.
Most of the time, the upper freq.s are used to get away from an idiot jammer who doesn't have 'dark channels' and that's about it.
Oh, to answer your question about what they are used for.... PLENTY. Go to the FCC website and do a search using the WTB. There are allocations for broadcasters, government, military, public safety, fire, USFS, and USCG between 27.405 and 28.0 MHz. |
2SF2696
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 11:26 am: |
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This whole 11 meter thing is truely out of control from the enforcment point of view. HAMs are registered, and it is very easy to identify and turn in a boot leg station. In a true democracy, socialism is the key. Meaning individual participation. Problem is, unless there is a common cause, you will never get people to participate. As a result, we elect officials to handle the policies of many people. As in a republic. This means we put off the responsibility for government on this one person who represents a lot of people. The fact is, as long as noone is ruining everyone's fun, (HAMS and CBers alike), there is no cause. When it comes down to laws, it works the same way. Think about the drunk who gets in the car. Why is it that most of the time this happens? Because everyone else is too concerned about getting home to turn the other drunk in.
What about the people that do their own electrical on their house without a permit?
What about the people who cruise 5 miles an hour over the speed limit?
what about the people who sell PROMTIONAL music CDs that are support to be free?
What about the people who do certain sex acts that are illegal, and brag about them?
When 11 meter becomes a big enough cause, people will enforce themselves. Meanwhile, if you live in a glass house......etc....
my $.02
Phineas
2SF2696 |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 1:07 pm: |
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2sf2696 ... you forget i work at a jail |
Hammunition
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 5:01 pm: |
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Unless you are running serious power and bleeding over some Political figure's TV, NOTHING, let me repeat, NOTHING is going to happen.
The FCC is a big dog with NO BITE. They are a group of 9 to 5 college geeks who are too afraid to carry a gun and badge but still want an enforcement title. They are clueless about search and seizure laws and spend most of their time handing out fines to easy targets. The FCC could care less about legitamate complaints from Hammers.
Let's be real here. How hard would it be for the FCC to start enforcement and nail peope? I could ride through any city and stop 20 cars a day and seize illegal equipment. A car is a rolling exigency, so guess what? No warrant needed. Hey, ride down a highway, look across the horizon, and count all the nice big antennas. ROCKET SCIENCE FOLKS.
If the FCC wanted you, this forum wouldnt exist. WHY do folks insist on quoting statutes and case law that will NEVER be enforced? Just be respectful if someone complains and enjoy your export radios. |
Tech181
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 8:04 pm: |
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Well said Hammunition, well said indeed.
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
Vernonott
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 8:30 pm: |
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The ham comes up with something good every now and then. |
hydro
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 2:10 am: |
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On the HAM side I listened to a licensed ham on 2 meters call in a legitimat emergency to 2 other hams that were sitting in there homes, the one calling the emergency was a trucker who obviously can't just pull off the road just anywhere to use a pay phone (pretty big truck needs space) the 2 hams in there homes argued about possibly a long distance call($$$$ maybe 50 cents) and I ended up pulling off the road and using a pay phone.
The moral of the story: The trucker could have transmitted on any other freq. legally due to loss of life or damage to property and couple others under the FCC, the key is you don't have to give a name or call sign so you don't have to explain the radio capable of transmitting where you did if you needed to.
Joe
P.S. I was in my car listening to all this and I no longer use that repeater but do monitor just incase this crap happens again. |
Hamcber
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 12:18 pm: |
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Hey Hydro,
You, as a ham, should KNOW better. I'm certainly not interested in stirring this all up again... For the correct answer from the 'horse's mouth', I suggest you read your CFR's again.
All the people on this post who believe that it is legal to transmit on any frequency they want as long as it's an emergeny are wrong. If you believe as they do, then you are wrong too.
However, I do agree with you that if it was life and death, and breaking the law was the ONLY way to summon aid, I would do it myself. I know it's not legal, but saving a life is more important to me. Driving faster than the speed limit is breaking the law too, but if it gets a dying man to the hospital faster, you do it, right?
I'm tired... |
Copperfan
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 5:24 pm: |
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ok i am confused then ,,here is a few questions from the ARRL from the approved pool of questions for the General Test:
G2C06 @G2C06 (C)
During a disaster in the US, what frequencies may be used to obtain
assistance?
A. Only frequencies in the 80-meter band
B. Only frequencies in the 40-meter band
C. Any frequency
D. Any United Nations approved frequency
C is the answer
then this question:
G2C07 @G2C07 (B)
If you are communicating with another amateur station and hear a
station in distress break in, what should you do?
A. Continue your communication because you were on frequency first
B. Acknowledge the station in distress and determine its location and
what assistance may be needed
C. Change to a different frequency so the station in distress may
have a clear channel to call for assistance
D. Immediately cease all transmissions because stations in distress
have emergency rights to the frequency
B is the answer
then this question??
G2C05 @G2C05 (D)
During an emergency, what power output limitations must be observed by
a station in distress?
A. 200 watts PEP
B. 1500 watts PEP
C. 1000 watts PEP during daylight hours, reduced to 200 watts PEP
during the night
D. There are no limitations during an emergency
D is the answer
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/El3-2000.txt |
Copperfan
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 5:25 pm: |
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G2C09 @New (C)
When are you prohibited from helping a station in distress?
A. When that station is not transmitting on amateur frequencies
B. When the station in distress offers no call sign
C. You are not ever prohibited from helping any station in distress
D. When the station is not another amateur station
C is the answer
Im just confused?????????? not trying to start trouble but this is a hot topic look at the amount of replies???????? |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 8:04 pm: |
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no not this time im going to sit back and read the mail
bruce |
Hamcber
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 12:17 am: |
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The ARRL question pool is NOT the written FCC rules. Read the rules out of the CFR's since that is what field enforcement uses, not the question pool.
Oh, by the way, by 'any frequency', the only thing they left off was 'in the amateur bands'. |
Biged
| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2002 - 11:11 pm: |
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If the cop didnt see it, I didnt do it.Plain and simple... |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 8:01 am: |
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they all say that even the trustees |
ricky blye
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 8:55 am: |
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Ive been listening to a guy in Florida for 32 yrs now. His handle is "Mud-Duck". He's been on the AM freq's for the whole time. He boosts of running a home built 50,000 watt amp, and by the sounds and signals, he's not lying. Dont you all think that if the FCC had the resources and commitment, they could easily find this guy. There is no doubt in my mind that his signal must bleedover to anything recieving a signal within a few miles. Think about it. If you play games on the radio, you'll get burned. Its that simple. The FCC is a money making business. They could care les about busting little people on a cb radio wavelength........... |
jyd
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 9:58 am: |
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there is alot of people that run 50,000 watts alot more than you think.i dont think he or anyone would run a amp like that if they wer efecting anyone,most likely he lives in the country or out of city limits.plus he probably is way up in the air to,he probably runs beams.i ran 1500watts in town,but i was almost 90 feet in the air to.i did not have any problems with my next store neibors |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 10:03 am: |
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ricky its not they dont care they dont have anyone that is commited to enforcement except in the public safety bands.... they look at it this way its your sess pool if you poop in it its your problem only when the right wheel gets greased do you see them come around. The hams police themselfs and the fcc knows it that helps untill the cb'ers do the same nothing will change. |
Colt
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 4:32 pm: |
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When I was in electronics school, my Telecomm's teacher told us that the reason Charlie doesn't do anything to clean up the airwaves anymore is because President Reagan cut funding to the FCC, and there isn't enough manpower. I guess this seems possible, but since my teacher was a left winger, I regarded all his political statements with a healthy amount of skepitcism. Does anybody know if there is any truth to this? Not that it really matters, I'm just curious. And why did they stop having licenses? Seems that if they needed the funds, they wouldn't have stopped licensing. In fact, seems like they would have raised the price and kept the callsigns.
Don't anybody think I'm in favor of good fellers like us gettin' in Dutch for runnin' a little somethin' to help us be, as we used to say, "bodacious". I guess having Charlie around, or the threat of having him around, helped keep a little bit of sanity and manners on the airwaves. I just wish you could let your kid sit alone in the truck or by the base and not worry about them being exposed to filth. If all were responsible operators(dream world)like the fine gentlemen on this board, you could have Charlie do his thing to keep it clean, and we could have our "goodies", too!
But, again, anybody know if there's anything to this Reagan budget cut stuff, or why they discontinued licensing? |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 9:59 pm: |
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I have a radio that I can talk to almost any one anywhere around the globe it's perfectly legal and you need no license.Guess what it is! A CELL PHONE. |
Colt
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 11:04 pm: |
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Repeaters(cells) ain't got no sport to 'em!;) |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 11:11 pm: |
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hahahahahaha |
Dimstar
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 2:26 am: |
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Talkig DX on a cell phone would not be cheap or as much funnnnnnn. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 10:08 am: |
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Colt, Taz.... I disagree repeaters do have sport to them I was useing 2 meter repeaters in 1970 long before most hams knew they exsisted and it has always been a sport to find someone intelegent on them. You have to understand most people dont get it a repeters was ment for portable or moble use not 50 watt base stations. Here in Tampa Bay we have a repeter on 146.64 up 700 foot real good coverage like 100 miles or more to a 50 watt moble station however hour after hour you hear retired guys on base stations with no clue what SIMPLEX is ting it up. So stupidy is wide spred and the sport of radio today may be to find someone intelegent to talk too..... HEY Reagan is still taking the blame but WHAT REALY HAPPEND IS THE FCC WAS RESTRICTED FROM COLLECTING LICENSE FEES BY A COURT RULEING NOT REAGAN.... stupid pinko commy teacher... probley supported the TALABAN. Dont take me wrong i enjoy 2 meters and there are zillions of good people to talk to some just get under my skin.
bruce |
707
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 2:13 pm: |
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Hi ya'll
Interesting thing I noticed... Here and there on the forum, I've seen posts talking about how certain radios or setups lack power, or need more power to keep up with "big guns". Most recently, one dealing with 6 meters. Just an observation.. It seems folks would rather put out more power than build a really good antenna system. It stands to reason then(for them) that if you have enough power, nobody needs more than a ground plane to talk everywhere. I mean, look at FM or AM broadcast receivers. With only a small whip, you can pick up stations from around the globe. This works because of frequency coordination and 50k to 500k+ transmitters. Since there is no real frequency coordination or enforcement on CB, we've fallen into this habit of cranking up the radio rather than the antenna. For example, the amateur rules state clearly that the minimum power output necessary should be used for contacts. Of course, if you plan to run a 6m Ringo, you won't have nearly the "power" of someone running a Boomer or bigger yagi. Same goes for CB. If you plan to use only a vertical omni with LOTS of power, you are only contributing to the reason why we seem to need more power to communicate.
Personally, I have more respect for the station operating at low power with a killer antenna system than some alligator station who can't hear that 6w guy 50 miles away. |
Phineas
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 4:38 pm: |
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707
Its all over. Until I got a 706, my only 6 meter rig was an MFJ 9060. It only did SSB and CW. I could talk 50+ miles on the right day with a vertical on 10 watts PEP. Only thing, this was during a time when the band was not considered open(no DX). But when the band is open, watch out!!! I almost got into a major disagreement with a guy cause he said I was interfering with him making a contact. Mind you he had not made a contact yet. Everywhere on SSB(50.100 - 50.300) this guy would follow me around. I would make a contact, and he would just mow me over. Come to find out after listening, he was running 150 watts off of a beam. May I remind you that the people I made the call for heard me, but I was no match for the bigger guns...lol
There are power freaks everywhere, and they ruin it for all of the good operators. It is an FCC rule that a HAM should use the least amount of power needed to make a contact. That is a good practice for all radio operators to follow in my book, But I also like having my 100 barefoot watts when I need it.
Phineas |
Tech181
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 12:25 am: |
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Running a low power station is more fun! Sure sometimes it's tough to get over the pile up but that's what makes this hobby so interesting. Point is you don't NEED all that power. Like 707 said it's the antenna that makes a big difference. Look at the HF QRP operators that make several thousand mile CW contacts on less than a watt, mobile! I use less than 30 watts PEP on SSB and in the last 9 months, have worked 34 states, 6 Canadian provinces and 4 countries. Nothing to write home about (or even here) but it can be done.
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com
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bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 1:37 am: |
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just my 2 cents EVERY band cb, ham and all others has some ...hole who just like you said "followed you around" Ive had it happen and 200 years from now the copper 2200 ad forum will be talking the same things.... except they will not have US to blame for it. 6 Meters to work it right you need about 100 watts and there are amps built for that band that will give you that.... back 30 years ago i ran 1000 watts into a 6 el beam. Antenna... Antenna is the key a ground plane is ok but even a 3 el beam will give you twice the range. O on the one who followed me around payback is hell nothing like a HR-6 a few blocks awayinto a 300 watt brick when HE was tring to work dx... a local spent weeks doing this till our ofender sold his 6 meter radio and was not seen on 6 again and i might add not missed. |
sparky
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 9:26 am: |
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FCC regulations Part 97 subpart E
97.403 Safety of life and protection of property.
No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human life and immediate protection of property when normal communication systems are not available.
According to this, in the case of a threat to the immediate safety of human life or property, I can use ANY freq, mode, and power setting necessery to effect communications.
Sparky |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:59 am: |
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Sparky, that's the way I feel about it,and run my station. I just run what power is necessary for the safety of my poor old radio signal floatin' round out there, so some old badass want be a'puttin' me on hold. lol |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 4:03 pm: |
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Ya know,all I want to do is communicate with my father-in-law 90 mi. away.I got a pdl-2 and an eagle 2000 and a boomer 400.I get to him fine,but the return sucks,he's got a super scanner and a president washington(858PLL)I want to get him a KLV550 I think that should turn the trick.He's in central U.P. I'm in northwestern L.P. Michigan.My preamp brings him to a C-hair above noise level sometimes I copy sometimes I don't,I care nothing for dxing unless we can do it together,it's a hellofalot more fun,he's been in radio since 1961. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 4:09 pm: |
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Oh,by the way the boot is a hellofalot cheaper than a rotor and white lightning,I wouldn't consider a yagi,height limitations at his sight aren't good for low angle of radiation. |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 6:15 pm: |
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Have him try a beam if he can, but if not go with the amp |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:51 pm: |
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A beam is a multi-element array such as a yagi or quad in the narrowest sense. |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:10 pm: |
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haha, |
ROCKET
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 2:52 pm: |
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THE ONLY THING I SEE IS THE FCC CRACKING DOWN ON HIGH POWER STATIONS WITH AMPS. AND THE ONLY TIME I SAW NON TYPE ACCEPTANCE TRANSMITTERS IS IN RELATION TO HIGH POWER COMPLAINTS. LET US FACE THE FACTS, THERE ARE SO MANY OUT THERE AND THE FCC CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT THAT. ALSO IN RUSSIA THE TEN METER BAND IS NOW OPEN AS A CB BAND WITH OTHER NATIONS FOLLOWING, I FEEL IT WILL NOT BE LONG BEFORE THE USA DOES THE SAME. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 3:09 pm: |
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rocket would you show me where i can find that russia allows cb on 10 meters ???? |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 6:57 pm: |
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OK ROCKET i have searched all my known links that could have knolege of such a change.... NO WHERE do i find any CB on 10 meters anywhere in the world.... The ITU REQUIRES CODE be given for any radio license below 30 MHZ. Where did you get this ????? Could it have been dated APRIL 1 ?
As for " the US doing the same " not till 2004 and even then EXPECT some sourt of licenseing / exam. Your call lets see the link. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:05 am: |
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Chicken Band on 10 meters?
It just wouldnt be the same. there would be two channel 19's and so on for every channel.
That would blow. |
ROCKET
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 8:30 am: |
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I READ IT ON THE QRZ.COM OPEN FORUM LAST WEEK.
73'S ROCKET MAN IN VA |
KG4RYT
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 9:00 am: |
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TO: Rockett
Russia opened up 10 meters , or so i have read on qrz but i do not feel the FCC will allow this to happen in the USA. Canada has also changed their rules and opened up many bands as well but don't hold your breath on America doing the same. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 8:37 pm: |
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Haha, now all the other countrys are going to be bombarded with it. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:04 pm: |
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ok i searched QRZ and did find a UK ( ENGLAND) was concidering CHANGING the code exam to one of comprehenion well at 5 WPM here thats a given Under ITU laws which most nations run radio under code is a MUST Guys i beleve code is not going to suvive as a major part of the exam past the next ITU meeting in about a year... watch for it to go away by 2004 or 2005 |
KG4RYT
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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TO BRUCE
THIS CAME UP IN THE TALK AND OPINIONS FORUM ON QRZ.COM 10 meter band-ANARCHY (Pages 1 2 3 ..5 )
A Blatant disrespect for laws!
I ALSO SAW IT LISTED WITH ANOTHER HAM SITE MAYBE EHAM. YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY ARRL OR FCC RESPONSE ON THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT UNDER THEIR REGULATION. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 1:36 pm: |
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here is the only solid story on code i could find this is what ive been talking about
from the ARRL web site
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2001/10/12/100/ |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 2:32 pm: |
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Just get on the radio and blow smoke. Don't worry about uncle charlie. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 7:00 pm: |
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Freebander i got admitt your a trip... i hope your consistent like you drive without a license have no plate and don't pay taxes.... and if your my age during vietnam you doged the draft |
BATTLESTAR
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 2:39 pm: |
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LEGAL IS SUCH A STRONG WORD, I THINK WE MAY BE LOOKING AT A GRAY AREA.IT IS ILLEGAL TO TUNE YOUR CB, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR HAMS WITH MODIFIED RADIOS TO TRANSMIT ON THE CB BAND, IT HAPPENS. IT IS ILLEGAL TO UNLOCK YOUR CLARIFIER, MANY DO. IT IS ILLEGAL TO USE A AMP ON CB, MANY DO.IT IS ILLEGAL TO TRANSMIT FOUL LANGUAGE AND MUSIC (NOISE MAKERS ETC.) MANY DO.IT IS ILLEGAL TO USE NON TYPE ACCEPTED TRANSCEIVERS MANY DO. AND YES IT IS ILLEGAL TO TRANSMIT ON THE EXPORT CHANNELS BUT MANY DO. SO IF YOU HAVE A EXPORT RADIO YOU ARE NO WORSE THAN A GUY LIKE ME THAT TUNES AND SUPER TUNES MY UNIDEN PC 66. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 11:04 pm: |
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Battlestar Most of what you said is correct How ever Im not quite shure where your comming from. Leagual means if you want to define it for cb / ham this it is LEAGUAL as a ham for me to use any radio i want on the ham bands because there is NO type acceptance for hf ham radios i may modify that radio to my hearts content but im NOT allowed to transmitt outside the ham bands. I cannot use a bought amp BUT i may build my own which i have for many bands. As for " SUPPER TUNNING " There is no such thing to obtain large changes in output modifications must be made THAT violates the type acceptance ive seen few cb sets that you could peak a few coils and go from 4 to 40 watts. Now STOCK export radios like the titan 485 are leagual for ham use they only become illegual if you TRANSMITT outside 10 meters
bruce |
BATTLESTAR
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 2:09 pm: |
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TO:BRUCE,
I HOPE YOU ARE NOT STATING THAT A HAM CAN OPERATE IN THE EXPORT OR CB CHANNEL RANGE WITH A MODIFIED HAM RIG.THIS ALSO WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF REGULATIONS. |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 2:13 pm: |
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Hey battlestar,
I think you are right! If they come after me with a export radio they would have to bust just about every cb radio op. in the land. technical rule violations, if it's peaked and tweaked it is the same.
FREEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 5:12 am: |
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No i said you MUST stay within the ham bands and cannot use it on cb. A ham can use a " export" radio on a ham band i asked this question of the FCC and the answer was a simple yes. I had to build my amp well i use fm anyway because " cb " amps cant be used... ckt came out of the motorola book.... rf parts and junk boxes. |
Metro
| | Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 1:52 pm: |
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Hey Bruce, I can't stand it any more!!! THERE IS NO "U" IN LEGAL!!!!
Metro |
Pcovington
| | Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 5:05 pm: |
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Metro:
LOL! I have been wanting to say that too!
Phil |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 5:07 pm: |
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thank's my spelling teacher went to her grave wondering if i would ever be able to spell ANYTHING |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 1:50 pm: |
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..............VERY INTRESTING ..................
............Tacoma Washington...........
A new city Ordinance 26851 makes it a misdemeanor punishable by a $500 fine and 6 months in jail to operate non FCC certified equipment. This is expressly allowed under a new law HR-2346 ...page 25 popcom june 2002. |
Tech181
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 12:17 am: |
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This thread reminds me of an AOL forum on gun control I used to visit. There were two guys on there always debating each other over the most minute of details. A year later I went back after not visiting and those two same dudes were still at it. See you'all in a year
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 8:54 am: |
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DO YOU THINK THAT CITIES AND STATES WILL BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THE LETTER OF THE LAW BETTER THAN THE FEDS DO. I THINK NOT, AND IF YOU HEAR THE DOOR BELL RING AND THOSE GUYS ARE WEARING SUITS YOU BETTER HAVE A OLD 23 CHANNEL CB READY TO SET UP AS THE RIG OF OPERATION.
BE COOL, BLOW SMOKE!!!!!!!1
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:27 am: |
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Ha? I wasnt debating i just found this interesting that they would go THAT far. Scary Steve i work at a jail you mean my next trustee could be a convicted CB abuser ?? .... |
WTC Investigator
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 8:04 pm: |
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It is now the year 3000 it is against the law to modify your brain implant to operate on frequencies other than those assigned by the World Telecommunications Commission at the time of your birth. If any modifications are found you will forfeit your implant for 1 year and a possible fine of 1,0000000000000.00. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 9:12 pm: |
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i found that law intresting make fun all you want but under it your 23 ch set could be your ticket to being my new trustee... humm maby i'll get to meet freebander afterall |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 12:48 pm: |
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Bruce,
Would they let me freeband in jail, you know like taking electronics and building amps for cb.If not would you smuggle them in for me?
he...he..he..
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
(AND I'M STILL BLOWING SMOKE WITHOUT A TICKET)
I'M BAAAAAAAAAACK OOOOOUTTT!!!!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:18 pm: |
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in jail you DONT get to make the rules.... and LOYAL americans dont either EXCEPT by VOTING. |
409
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 4:09 am: |
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Voting won't get you much.....remember the last presidental election? |
BIGFOOT
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 4:10 pm: |
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voting is FUN... you get to brag to all your friends ( both of them ) that YOU ( did) take the time and the effort to actually VOTE, whether it really adds up in your candidates favor or not ( whether he/she/ it ) wins or loses the race for what ever office they think now they want to be in....plus once they actually get IN office, the real mud - slinging can begin and last from 4 - 6 years depending on the office. POLITICS is FUN !!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 9:20 pm: |
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409 I live in FLORIDA dont even TRY to tell me YOUR vote dont count.... You want to change things start writing your congressman tell him about ( lets say code) you dont think the code should be part of a fcc test anymore BACK it up with figures like only 100 novice liceses wrer renewed last year out of 600,000 hams and give a good reason that with this change the number will increase ect ect ect you know my point but your leaders do lissen to good inputs and like the bill allowing local goverments to JAIL illegal cb users it came from a ohio congressmans mail box getting complants and he did something. The system works ... the best in the world ... not foolproof.
bruce |
Tech181
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 12:10 am: |
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If anyone wants to hear George Carlin's take on voting, E-Mail me. I can't post it here.
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
409
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 3:03 am: |
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Poly --- means "many" Tics --- means "blood suckers" Frankly, i'm tired of the "write to the congerssman" scenareo. For the most part, there going to do what they want to no matter what you say or who you write to. We defeated a local wheel tax 3 times by a large margin. But what did they do ?? Well, our local officials were determined to get that money, so they just had there own little "special session" and passed it right by the voters who voted against it. As for Florida.....their election was a joke. And as for politics being fun, if it weren't so sad, it would be funny. It's not funny the way government BLOWS taxpayers money in the name of politics. Always has......always will......we lose in the end. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 10:20 pm: |
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409 your right the demicrats made it a joke pinellas county where i live uses the SAME paper ballets that the others usd the law is clear if the machine did not read it it dosnt count ONLY when there is a VERY close vote can you get a recount and THEN it is a sample of all ballets now what tyey did was want to count ONLY the ones that came from places they expected to win. Our election people deserve creit this county had one of EACH and a unafiliated 3 rd one the recount showed a net gain on 16 for bush. I work for goverment i see the wast and tax money spent unwisely but your vote counts never forget that ... last lots fo good people DIED to give you thar right. |
409
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 12:59 am: |
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In politics ,at best,if your a tax payer,your gonna get the shaft. There ALL liars ! They may be good people when they take office, but just give then a little time and look at them a few years down the road after special interest has worked on them for a while. Votes don't count...money does. |
BATTLESTAR
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 8:56 am: |
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Hey,
Where is that broken chad? |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 1:01 pm: |
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When i was looking through my boxes of cb radios i came accross the tri star 120 and opened it up, and to my amazement it said fcc approved 120 channels. Is this a false statement or just a type-o?
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 7:00 pm: |
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is this a am/ssb radio if it is that a MISSLEADING statment 40 am 40 lsb 40 usb =120 other wise a misprint .... i hope |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 7:03 pm: |
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battlestar i love that READ the RULES it MUST be punched compleatly.... dosnt matter we went electronic anyway . |
Kg4ryt
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 9:28 am: |
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VOTER INTENT, NOW THAT IS SOMETHING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT? |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 6:11 pm: |
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the chad thing was a news sham our election people followed the law " voter intent " means there in little doubt if you have EVER punched a ballet you know there is no way you can "dimple" one... ive been punching them for 30 years and right on the machine is says REMOVE LOOSE CHADS... and guss what he still won .... shame on thoes who would DETERMIN VOTER INTENT |
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