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Junior
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 1:21 pm: | 
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should the fcc change regulations and allow for more power on cb freq's? i wish they would
and then again there are enough idiots out there to warrant less power if u know what i mean!
lol |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 8:44 pm: |
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lol I dont know, maybe 1 watt |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 9:14 pm: |
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Junior CB was never intended to be a hobbie or for people to be tring to shoot DX. That said there is ZERO chance the FCC will ever rase power. Freebanders dont want to hear it but untill the cb users show the FCC that they can and will police there own there is very little chance any new channels will be granted.
CB should as intended NEVER been put at 11 meters it would have been a much better move to have used the 49-50 Mhz range since antennas are very efective and radios even in the 50's cheep to build. The CLASS B CB on 465 mhz was a failuer a joke a few volines are still out on ebay relects of this failed experiment. The FCC needed a place for short range personal radio the HAMS did little with 11 meters and this combined with class b failure and a push by E F Johnson was why cb wound up on 11 meters |
Wildbill
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 8:00 pm: |
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We talk a lot about C.B.ers doing this and doing that but I wonder if anyone has heard the idiots that are 20 meters and 75 meters that are running way over the legal limit. No one hasn't anything to say about that, but if any of you have general coverage receivers, just scan the frequencies and you would be surprised at what the ham radio operators are doing. L.O.L. :-) |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 8:11 pm: |
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OOO Wildbill
You steped in it then
But Bruce will set you straight!!! |
Copperfan
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:04 pm: |
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HE SAID SHE SAID
BLA BLA BLA
ENJOY THE HOBBY!!!!!
YES CB CAN BE A HOBBY |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:13 pm: |
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Wild bill FIRST you are asking a ligit question so i dont know what you would have to do to step in it? Now go to www.arrl.org look at the inforcement pages they ARE doing something about it.
I NEVER said there were not problems on any ham band and some even AFTER they get slamed keep doing it. I run 100 watts on 20 and work around the world with a simple dypole and many others run simular radios like mine. I dont know why 75 and 20 seem to atract these people but i hear them too kinda like ch 6 on cb which seems to be a sore spot for a lot of people. These people will continue to be a problem as long as the " No lids no kids no space kdets " mentaly is on thoes bands
bruce |
Wildbill
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:37 pm: |
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Who is Bruce? Should I be afraid? In the words of Curly Q. Link (Member of the Three Stooges)
Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk! |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:06 pm: |
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Well we have something in common! WO, WO, WO !Hey watch for that PIE SPLAT !..... |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:00 pm: |
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Well Bruce you did it again FCC this FCC that We dont care!!!
Wildbill enjoy your radio and most of all HAVE FUN!!!
Listen to how others operate and the form yor own style. 99% of the Cb ers are "good ops" Keep your RFI to a minumum and be respectful of others and you will be fine. The thing you need to do most is ENJOY!! |
Tech181
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:08 am: |
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Let's not let this thread turn into the way the rest of them seem to be.
When you post on a car forum about adding a supercharger or having the cylinders rebored and oversized pistons added, do the forum members quote the speed limits for all 50 states?
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:20 am: |
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...if you can NOT have any FUN while talking on a cb ( or any other type radio ), then why do it ? ..life is too short for all serious...24/7...let us have some fun ( my version is to remain legal...more of a challenge ) but others have FUN with "illegal channels" or "10,000 watts of muffled audio" or some thing else......I appeal to all of you...BRUCE...BEACONMAN...TAZ...WILDBILL...JUNIOR...and rest of you that aint printed anything...ENJOY your radios...BIG FOOT |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 5:31 am: |
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CB can be a hobby but i suppose there is some dumb FCC reg that says "its illegal to have fun with CB radio".. :-( |
Jimbob
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 6:11 am: |
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The FCC views the higher power issue as 'no way'. They consider the CBers not using the service as intended. CB was intended for local communications only. The FCC also reduced the Ham license requirements, thus think 'become a Ham if you want more privileges'. When the CB service was introduced about 50 years ago, they had not any idea yagi beam antennas & ultra sensitive receiver would be available for about nothing in expense. Remember, a ham radio set up 50 years ago could cost the same as an automobile! No kidding. Most hams also worked the local radio & TV stations or provided some public service. What the FCC really wants is CBers to move up to the newer 'personal radio' frequencies or become a ham. The higher frequencies of the newer personal radio service does not have any real 'kickers' available & does not have Sporatic E skip. The only viable long haul DX would be tropospheric ducting due to temperature inversion. Yes, if the FCC had a magic wand, every CB set in the USA would be broken immediately. The FCC regulation problem is about the same as getting rid of the common cold! Ain't going to happen in a Democratic society. As for CB, it is partly responsible for keeping ham radio alive as far as I am concerned. Most hams were CBers. Second, CBing is fun and the equipment is just as cool as ham radio gear, if a little less functional or sophisticated. Dollar for dollar, you get a good value. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 9:02 am: |
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HELLO BEACONMAN I ANSWERED HIS QUESTION |
Deadly Eyes
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 9:42 am: |
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Well B man you had better care because...
Adopted: April 18, 2001 Released: April 20, 2001
By the Chief, Enforcement Bureau:
1. In this Forfeiture Order (``Order''), we issue a monetary forfeiture in the amount of thirteen thousand five hundred dollars ($13,500) to Jerry Smith for willful and repeated violations of Sections 95.409(a), 95.410(a) and 95.411(a)(1) of the Commission's Rules (``Rules'').1 The noted violations involve Mr. Smith's operation of a Citizens Band (``CB'') Radio Station with a non-type-accepted transmitter, with a transmitter output power greater than four watts carrier power in the AM (A3) mode, and with an external RF power amplifier.
2. On January 8, 2001, the Commission's Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Field Office issued a Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture (``NAL'') in the amount of thirteen thousand five hundred dollars ($13,500) to Mr. Smith for the noted violations.2 Mr. Smith has not filed a response. Based on the information before us, we affirm this forfeiture.
3. Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (``Act''),3 and Sections 0.111, 0.311 and 1.80(f)(4) of the Rules,4 Jerry Smith IS LIABLE FOR A MONETARY FORFEITURE in the amount of thirteen thousand dollars ($13,500) for operating a CB Radio Station with a non-type-accepted transmitter, with a transmitter output power greater than four watts carrier power in the AM (A3) mode, and with an external RF power amplifier, in willful and repeated violation of Sections 95.409(a), 95.410(a) and 95.411(a)(1) of the Rules.
4. Payment of the forfeiture shall be made in the manner provided for in Section 1.80 of the Rules5 within 30 days of the release of this Order. If the forfeiture is not paid within the period specified, the case may be referred to the Department of Justice for collection pursuant to Section 504(a) of the Act.6 Payment shall be made by mailing a check or similar instrument, payable to the order of the Federal Communications Commission, to the Federal Communications Commission, Forfeiture Collection Section, Finance Branch, P.O. Box 73482, Chicago, Illinois 60673-7482. The payment should note the NAL/Acct. No. referenced above. Requests for full payment under an installment plan should be sent to: Chief, Revenue and Receivables Operations Group, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554.7
5. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, a copy of this Order shall be sent by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested, to Jerry Smith, 125 Commonwealth Avenue, Claymont, DE 19703.
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
David H. Solomon Chief, Enforcement Bureau
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I take it that you have 13,500 bucks extra spare change in your cookie jar to pay the fine for being caught??????????????
I could also show you other horror stories of the one that did not get away. |
justme
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:33 am: |
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500,000 freebanders
1 dummy
1 in 500,000 chance of getting caught by the FCC. I have a better chance of getting hit crossing the street. Stop with your scare tactics. Everyone knows the FCC doesn't care unless you are causing some congressman interference. I wish we could discuss subjects without some ham coming in trying to scare everyone with this nonsense. |
Deadly Eyes
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 3:50 pm: |
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Re Just me
Murphy Law....
If something bad can happen it will happen at the most inoppertune time.
I am sure that the above re person though the same thing--on in hundreds of thousands, not ME! |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 6:01 pm: |
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OH WOW now I am scared. I have been a freebander for 30 years and have not even had a brush with the FCC. I DO NOT cause RFI and i am in good standing with my meighbors.
Say what you will and do what you want and I will continue to operate my radio the way I wish!!!
Fun is what it is all about, thus the word hobby, if it wasnt fun then it would be called WORK!! |
DeadlEyes
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 7:34 pm: |
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Re B man....
By merely being there you are already creating RFI. Someone else "owns" those frequencies and you are infringing on THEIR territory/frequency and knowingly causing deliberate malicious mischief are you not? |
Mrhappy
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:00 pm: |
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First of all the reason 20 meters attracts the low lifes is because it's worldwide coverage day and night.
And if want to go all over the dial,why not get your ticket,the techician test is so easy an idiot could pass,same for the general.
Btw:Bruce inspired me to get my ticket,took the code,tech,general in one sitting to friggen easy,month later took the extra exam and aced it. not that hard guys,now i talk whenever i want on every band that is available to me. |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:36 pm: |
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Go there and listen to those freqs THEN tell me what you hear if anything.
Put your "ham " rig on 20 turn the amp on so you can be heard then tell me who is causing the RFI!!!
MRhappy: thank you for your post.
I also talk where ever and whenever I want and I dont need a piece of worthless paper that says I am registered with the FCC |
Deadly Eyes
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:11 am: |
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Re Happy dude....
You aced the Extra written!!???. Yipes!
I passed it myself but I did not ace it. If I remember correctly if I missed the ones I think I missed and no more well I got right at 90% correct. Good enough for the cake plus a little extra just in case. But definately not as well as you did. Anyway congrats.
By the way did you apply for a short call sign or did you keep your original issue? Just curious. |
Phoneman
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:21 am: |
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Mrhappy,
Congratulations! I'm glad Bruce inspired you to get your license rather than scaring you into it. This is what I think hams should have been doing all along.
Good work Bruce. |
Kirk
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:51 am: |
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guys...here my 2 cents....remember that 11 meteres is THE WORST band for all TVI! Just look at the spectrum as compaired to everything else, and you need an "official" frequencies allocation list/chart to see it...but IF you were allowed more power by the FCC, you would most definetly be screwed because of the location in which 11 meters exists. The same is true for 10 meters. If most of the consumer broadcast (TV) band wasn't there..then...another story all togetheir. |
409
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 2:53 am: |
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CBer's have been running power and using out-of-band channels ever since the first radio was sold. People watched for "charlie" in every town just because someone said they saw the fed's . I don't think this will change no matter what new regs the FCC comes up with. If you don't stand out in the crowd, no one will notice . Just use a little common sense and "charlie" won't know you exist. |
Deadly Eyes
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 8:18 am: |
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To anyone interested who just happens to shoot skip run extra power or run outside the 40 freqs allocated to CB:
Here is the direct quotation from your boss and mine aka the FCC:
Citizens Band Radio Service
What is CB?
CB is one of the Citizens Band Radio Services. It is a two-way voice communication service for use in your personal and business activities. Expect a communication range of one to five miles.
Do I need an FCC license for my CB unit?
License documents are neither needed or issued. CB Rule 3 provides your authority to operate a CB unit in places where the FCC regulates radiocommunications, as long as you use only an unmodified FCC certificated CB unit (CB Rule 9). An FCC certificated unit has an identifying label placed on it by the manufacturer. There is no age or citizenship requirement.
Where may I operate my CB unit?
You may operate your CB unit within the territorial limits of the fifty United States, the District of Columbia, and the Caribbean and Pacific Insular areas ("U.S."). You may also operate your CB on or over any other area of the world, except within the territorial limits of areas where radio-communications are regulated by another agency of the U.S. or within the territorial limits of any foreign government. You may also be permitted to use your CB unit in Canada subject to the rules of Industry Canada.
May I raise the power output of my CB unit?
Absolutely not! That would be unfair to the other users sharing the channel by raising the level of radio noise. You must not attach a "linear," "linear amplifier" or any other type of power amplifier to your CB unit (CB Rule 11). Moreover, you must not modify your CB unit internally. Doing so cancels its certification and you forfeit your authorization to use it (CB Rule 10).
How high may I put my CB antenna?
There are no height restrictions for antennas mounted on vehicles or for hand-held units (CB Rule 8). For structures, the highest point of your antenna must not be more than 20 feet above the highest point of the building or tree on which it is mounted, or 60 feet above the ground. There are lower height limits if your antenna structure is located within two miles of an airport.
Which CB channels may I use?
You may use any of the 40 CB channels on a "take-turns" basis. These channels must be shared by all CB users. There are no channels authorized in the CB Radio Service above 27.405 MHz or below 26.965 MHz. No CB channel is assigned to any specific individual or organization (CB Rule 7). Be cooperative. Keep your communications short. Never talk with another station for more than 5 minutes continuously. Then wait at least one minute before starting another communication (CB Rule 16). Use Channel 9 only for emergency communications or for traveler assistance.
What are "ten-codes"?
Ten-codes are operating aids used by public safety and other professional communicators. The FCC does not regulate the meaning of the ten-codes. CB Rule 12 authorizes CB operators to use ten-codes.
Where do I obtain my CB "handle?"
You may use an on-the-air pseudonym ("handle") of your choosing.
Are there other private Personal Radio Services for short distance two-way voice communications?
Yes. There is another Citizens Band Radio Service, the Family Radio Service ("FRS"). You are authorized by FRS Rule 1 to operate an FCC-certified FRS unit in accordance with the rules. No license is issued. Expect a communication range of less than one mile. See Part 95, Subpart B of the Commission's Rules, 47 C.F.R. 95.191-95.194. There is also the General Mobile Radio Service ("GMRS"). For operation in the GMRS, however, your system needs a license. GMRS systems are used to facilitate the activities of the licensees and their family members. Expect a communication range of five to twenty-five miles. See Part 95, Subpart A of the Commission's Rules, 47 C.F.R. 95.1-95.1834.
Where can I get a copy of the FCC Rules for CB?
The rules are published annually in the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Telecommunication, Part 80 to End. They are written in plain language to make them easy to read and understand. Rules are available at www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr or you can order them from the U.S. Government Printing Office, Superintendent of Documents, Mail Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402-9328. A copy of the operating rules (95.401-95.428), current at the time of packing, must be furnished by the manufacturer with each CB set sold. For technical information, see 47 C.F.R. 95.601-95.669.
For complete information, see the Commission's Rules for the Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service, 47 C.F.R. 95.401-95.428.
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Those are the general rules. So if you break them and get caught/slapped with a fine of thousands and thousnds of dollars don't come a crying to me. I tried to warn ya. |
Deadly Eyes
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 9:57 am: |
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Re Kirk, Captain James T.
Just kidding, sorry I could not help myself.
Another reason CB or any other fundamental harmonic for that matter bugs TV feqs is that most TVs made today are made on the cheap. The Japanese are not going to spend 5 or 6 bucks per unit extra to put the filter in the circut in the TV Receiver.
They are going to set the purchaser up so they have to buy the external filter. Could this be an international conspiracy between Radio Shack and Japan????? :-)
And too perhaps it is just a case of unavoidable front end overload.
Or perhaps a leaking cable system.
The possibilites are endless!
DE |
bruce
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On TVI most filters sold are very good QST ran a review of 6 major ones all were at least 50 db down so as far as transmitter producing TVI that should not be a problem A lack of front end design is more to blame than any cb or ham radio. |
Biged
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 4:49 pm: |
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I just have 1 thing to say, I like how people say that they dont need a piece of paper saying they can use a certain freq, they are going to run wherever they want. Well, I look at it this way, most of the operators use a radio that was built by a factory, which was designed by engineers. "they" gave us the privilage of using there designs but with a few rules. I, myself dont really think a piece of paper means a whole lot but, it is a written requirement to have to use the freqs these radios are capable of. So if you want to build a tranciever that will utilize a freq that the FCC will approve, and you can use as much power and act like an idiot as you please and one will not need a liscence to transmit on, go ahead, maybe I'll buy one. But its highly unlikely. Just imagine how much interference you would have on your TV while you were watching the superbowl with the hammer doing video on your TV freq. You would be fuming! Ther HAS to be some limits to everything or poeple take advantage of them. We humans are the most ignorant, selfish, animals there ever were. Its a wonder we have lasted this long. |
Mrhappy
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Deadly Eyes:yes i kept my original call letters.
And yes i'm the kid in school that ruined the curve for everyone,my bad.
I have no problem with these freebanders,the problem i have is with the agitaters (aholes)that only want to cause chaos.
that kind of 11 meter mentality just ruins it for everyone.
those are the guys that need to caught.
Beaconman:we should not be adversaries,we share the same problems,unwanted idiots on the radio. |
Junior
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 1:22 am: |
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i do agree with some of the comments about some of the people who just screw up th 11 meter band for everyone, i am sure we have all heard the crackhead playing the radio through a keyed mic etc. etc., but it would be nice if the fcc could catch the "••••" and leave the rest of us alone...i personally enjoy talking skip .. just a really cool phenomenom if you ask me.. there are wyas to improve your talk power mics beam antennas and so on... as for myself like i said it would be nice if we could have a little more power for cb's but sometimes it is like public access tv....if you know what i mean ;-) and as far as people hopping up their radios it is liking trying to stop everyone from speeding...not gonna happen....just too many for the fcc to "police" with much success with the exceptions of those who choose to make complete idiots of themselves (channel 6) and we have all heard that one..........lol
ps i am joping to get time to get my ham certification someday too many freq's to use and people to talk to not try and learn something new and that is what it is all about we like to talk and fiddle with stuff and just enjoying what we do |
redneck4life
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 1:12 am: |
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DO WHAT I USE TOO DO.
TURN IT OFF?
OR CHANGE CH.
Most high powered oper. got 1 or 2 things
1-THEY GOT MONEY?
2-THEY GOT NO ONE CLOSE THEM
PS 3-OR JUST DON'T CARE <<<<<<
more power yes
REDNECK SAID THAT |
Insider
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 1:33 pm: |
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What's the limit you're allowed to talk on CB, 150 miles? I remember there was a petition going around on the internet to get the FCC to remove that restriction. Yes I did sign it as I don't see any reason why DXing shouldn't be allowed on CB. If I can hear 'em and they can hear me, then why shouldn't we be able to talk? |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 6:44 pm: |
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#3 no one gives a rats a$$ anymore about rules and regs..
Sorry to say that but its true!
For some really goofy reason the CB bands seem to attract losers ( not all are losers but about 75 to 80% are!) in droves more than any thing else. Someone explain this????? |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 10:49 pm: |
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I GET TIRED OF HEARING " DEMOCRACY OR DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY" WE are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC where minorities can rule,just talk to some african-american or hispanec representatives,I wish people would get their history right.But I got a question for bruce,who owns the freqs. from 27.410 to 27.990,are there any gaps,don't feed me a line because I'll know.Please and thank you |
Taz
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:10 am: |
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I can answer that. The fcc controls radio communications in the us. That freq range (27.410-27.990) is just not "SET" as a band to be used, Its emtpy. |
Tech833
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:47 am: |
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There are several licensees in the range from 27.41 to 27.995 MHz. Most are military and government and do not show in the portion of the FCC's ULS directory available to the public. |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:11 pm: |
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Bigbob And TAZ thats been my point if it is not used you ( FREEBANDERS ) are within your rights to file for it and put the FCC on notice that you have the numbers to use it..... the FCC has made it a policy use it or lose it they did it to the hams on 11 meters and on 220 and thats how cb got there ( 11 meters ) in the first place. To answer bigbobs question the FCC OWNS all radio frequencys under the cuminications act of 1934 they have the RIGHT to SELL them and could sell cb and then you would have to pay to use it but they wouln't. Under this law they ALLOW us to use them. See bigbob it COULD become yours go file the papers and get it done. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 2:12 pm: |
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I know the feds own all the freqs.I just didn't expect you to be so general,I guess I'll have to call on the FCC to find who they're allocated to.I just thought you would know. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 2:17 pm: |
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In the evening I can scan from 26.965 to 28.000 and hear what seems to be heterodynes from home and business alarms,curious. |
Sofkow
| | Posted on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 9:48 pm: |
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tonight i'm getting some odd "laser" type noise on 27.145. pretty strong signal. |
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