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Beaconman
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 8:07 am: | 
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Can anyone tell me how to get the full 10 meter band back in my Melaka?
I want to keep the lowers that I have. I think I would need to add a switch in the rear. I think I would make the hookup in the area where I removed the jumper to get the bands I have now, but which ones?
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BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 3:43 pm: |
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...you will get in just much trouble for having UPPER channels as for having LOWER channels...in the enforcement eyes of the law one is just as guilty as the other, so why not just leave it as it is and NOT use the illegal frequencies?...dern this stuff is extremely complicated....PRAISE the LORD for the I.Q. high enough to stay on the legal frequencies and not use illegal power to make contacts....GOD bless the U.S.A....BIG FOOT |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 6:44 pm: |
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OH PLEASE!!! All I ask was for some help!! I dont need a lecture. If you dont know the answer then dont offer something that you were not ask!!!!
So if anyone has a stright answer I would like to have it.
And Bigfoot please dont give me the GOD thing as I am an atheist and do NOT belive. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 8:21 pm: |
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beaconman are you a ham? and if so why would you want to run a radio in that way? EXPORT radios like the titan 485 are 100 bucks pick a frequency between 25-30 and the titan will go there unmodified they cover the ENTIRE 10 meter band and you could leave you big radio alone. If your NOT a ham then you dont realy need 10 meters....? |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 10:41 pm: |
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it never had the entire 10 meter band |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 10:42 pm: |
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email me and i will give you some info and you can expand the freqs from 24 to 30 somthing i think |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:25 pm: |
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Open Question....
I checked out the specs on the Copper Catalog on line but was unable to find frequency range. Does not the radio cover 28.000 thru 29.700? If so it covers all the legal 10 meter band.
And bruce does ask a valid question. If you are not a licensed ham operator why would you use the ham band in the first place?
Signed
DE |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:35 pm: |
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Re Bman....
I modified my HR2510 for expanded frequency coverage and I did not lose any of the existing 10 meter band. Reread the conversion and see if you missed doing something. A conversion that expands reception should not delete existing frequency range.
If you wish to put a switch to go from converted to non converted functions, before you drill a hole in the back of the radio you might want to consider putting a smaller but appropriately designed switch on the front of the radio so you do not have to reach around the back all the time. Check out your parts supply stores on the web. Some swithches have very nice LEDs in them that are quite attractive in the dark.
DE |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:40 pm: |
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I just want to have the phone segment!! Ok i guess I will find it myself.
No i am not a "ham" and have no derire to be!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 7:27 am: |
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Beaconman It was not my intent to lecture you but ask a question of you need to do that. I know there seems to be a " need " to cover a wide range of frequencys but if you are not liceased to use them it only is a temptation to go bootleging. I dont know what it covers but if it goes to 28.5 you got 99% of the active part of the band anyway. The only other activy is 29.0-29.2 AM and 29.60 FM. |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:50 am: |
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This is from the OTHER side HAMS on CB Yes uncle Charly is watching
According to FCC enforcement reports, some Amateur Radio operators have operated on CB channels or between them (the so-called "freeband") using ham gear that is not FCC-licensed or approved for the purpose. .
Operating on the so-called "freeband" outside of the 40 CB channels raises other legal issues, since those frequencies already are allocated to government and industrial users or as so-called "guard band" channels that help fence off CB and the other services.
The bottom line is that amateurs should resist any temptation to transmit anywhere on 11 meters unless they're using equipment that's FCC-approved and/or licensed for operation there. Otherwise, they risk fines and possible loss of their amateur tickets. |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 6:27 pm: |
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....curiosity question: how long have the RANGER 2950 radios been made > local operator sez he has had his ranger 2950 since 1987 ?? Have they been around that long ??.... PRAISE the LORD...BIG FOOT |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 7:41 pm: |
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Beaconman being a nasty ham for a moment If you have no desire to be a ham then why do you want to lissen to them? Worse yet why do you want more than more than 40 channles? See the only diffrence between a freebander and a ham is one of them took the trouble to get a license and ( hopefully ) follow the rules. Now to answer your question 28.3-28.5 is the main SSB band although you wil hear stations up to 28.8 and as i added before AM is 29.0 - 29.2 FM is 29.6 ( the one you will find me on) with repeaters on 29,62, 64,66,68
Bruce |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:02 pm: |
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Bigfoot, I believe the Ranger came out about that time. The 2510 came out about 1986, then soon afterwards the Ranger 2900 came on the market, it had lots of problems, and they changed to the 2950 pretty quick. |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:08 pm: |
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OK Lets get it stright!! I just want to get the bands back without losing what I have. I just want to find a simple mod to do it. I think I have figured out how to do it..
1 get a dpdt mini switch.
2 drill a hole where you want it(same size as the switch threads)
4 Wire the two middle poles with a jumper
5 From there run a wire to pin seven(where you removed the jumper to get the lowers and CB freqs)
6 Run a wire from the top pin (right as you look at the switch) to pin 11 (where you took out the soder bridge)
7 Run a wire from the bottom pin of the switch( right below the two you already have ) to pin twelve (where the soder bridge was)
When you flip the switch you should have the radio back where it was befor you converted it
Flip the switch back and you will be back on your CB and lowers
I am going to do this mod and see that it works
If anyone wants more info , leave me your email addy here |
oldguy
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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To Bruce.
Stop with the "ham know it all ••••". I will use my radio in the way that I wish.
40 ch HA HA!!!
If i have a radio that get a freq i will talk on it.
Why would i go get a "license"???
I want to have the right to talk freely. A license just gives away your "right" to require a search warrent in case the FCC wants to harrass you!!!!
Freeband is a just another aspect of the hobby!!
You are one of what we called in the Army an "elmer or lid" a person that thinks they have all the answers for us all as long as it is thier answer.
We all ejoy reading your tech help, but please keep your " ham" views off the CB question threads |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:57 am: |
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you guys seem to miss somthing. the melaka after the channel mod only opens the lower freqs. so by shutting it off would only cut off the lower freqs. it wont go any higher unless you put in a board to expand the freqs |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 4:51 am: |
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OLD GUY
1) you dont know a ELMER from a LID go look them up
2) Freebanding is a vololation of FEDERAL LAW but thats YOUR problem
3) Outside the 40 channles your using OTHERS channles and they have RIGHT TOO.
4)LAST I work at a JAIL we have 3500 inmates ALL agree with you. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 7:16 am: |
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I forgot.....
I also want to know what army you were in? I was in the US ARMY (68-70) In HQ COMPANY 198 MAINT. BN. COMMO ( FT KNOX KY ) and NEVER heard LID or ELMER used it is not a mitilary term.
Bruce |
Phoneman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 8:28 am: |
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Bruce,
You act as if though the ham bands are a national security issue. They are not the same as the roadways or the airways or even the internet. The ham bands produce nothing in the way of commerce. They provide no added value to the american public.
The FCC or any other government agency has no inherent reason to protect the ham bands. You are in an ivory tower that is crumbling beneath you. You are just to arrogant to see it. You belittle and berate the very people that could keep these bands available for the publics use. Instead of encouraging them to get their ham license you drive them away with your constant quoting of the law.
You yourself have stated the ham population is aging and there is very little new blood. There is and will continue to be demand by the business community for your hallowed ham bands. The governments choice will be to leave them alone for the use of a small number of ham operators or hand them over to businesses that will provide products for the masses.
Business will provide jobs, taxes, political contributions, and votes from the users of their products to sway the governments decision. What will the ham community provide?
Your ham license means nothing without the political clout to sway the government.
The airwaves that you think you own belong to the american public, not to you or any other ham operator. Your license means as much as someones deed to a home in the way of a new expressway.
How do you think the ham bands compare in importance to the internet? Read the news and see how many times the FCC has made rulings or announcements involving the telecommunication industry compared to the amateur bands.
The only time that the FCC has acted recently is when someone is causing major interference. Everyone knows this. Every freebander knows the FCC is going to do nothing to stop them. The FCC has no reason to. Jaywalking is against the law but I see people do it daily right in front of the police. They know the police department has more pressing issues.
You have stated that the sale and use of 23 channel radios is against the law. Everyone except the most green newbie is laughing at your statements that the FCC is just waiting to fine someone for breaking this law. If you want to be taken seriously quit trying to scare people with this nonsense.
Bruce if you really want to protect the ham bands encourage freebanders to become licensed operators don't push them away with quotes of laws that will never be enforced or statements about the airwaves belonging to ham operators. Ham operators will only have these rights as long as they have the political clout to keep them. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:56 am: |
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Phoneman do you think for one min that freebanders will save HF ???? As for the ham population true it is ageing but so is cb and as for the intrest that want radio no one wants noything below 50 mhz or cb would have been gone years ago. I NEVER stated the FCC IS WAITING TO FINE ANYONE but you cannot disprove my statment either that they ARE ILLEAGAL. I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE CB usres to go get licensed i get constant e-mail form people off the forum asking questions about ham radio and i DO answer them. As for the internet it will not replace ham radio but cphones have killed cb here in tampabay when there is no skip there is little activy on cb. As for belonging to the ham operators THEY DO BY INTERNATIONAL LAW show me one law to allowing the use of freebanding frequencys ? You seem to think that the removal of radio law will restlt in freebanding being in some way made leagal the REASON we have the FCC is because back 100 years ago people could not control and reulate them self with stinking spark gaps they gave the goverment a reason to step in . As for your products for the masses do you think for one min that if the bands were desolved to provide this product that it would not be owned and you would have to pay for it HA? GO LOOK AT 220 MHZ IT WAS RIPPED FROM THE HAMS AND NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY TO USE IT The ham frequencys only have one restriction you have to get off your tale and get a ticket |
Calmspirit
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:05 am: |
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Phoneman,
You are absolutely,totally wrong!
calmspirit |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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....BRUCE...doing great work in letting folks know the FACTS of a situation... whether they decide to agree or disagree with YOU is THEIR situation...however it appears ( scroll up ) that there are a few " computer rambo s " ( remember c b rambos ... talk mean on a microphone but stay very QUIET in person ).. out there that just want to agitate and aggravate....all of us KNOW what they are doing right and what we are doing WRONG every time we push the button on the microphone... no one is out there and can legally say they " did not know " they were violating FEDERAL regulations...they have already made up in their own minds where they wish to transmit and where they will NOT transmit...*** YES the radio bands are a NATIONAL SECURITY issue, just as several other things are ..you already knew that from 9/11/01...*** having FUN with my radios...BIG FOOT |
Phoneman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:08 am: |
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Bruce,
The internet will replace ham radio because the goverment will give those frequencies to businesses who will open them up for wireless internet.
The international community doesn't have any real control over any ham frequencies. The international community can't control drugs. Do you honestly think they can control radio frequencies? Tell me how would the FCC stop radio interference from say Cuba? How about an embargo?
There are plenty of laws on the books that aren't being enforced. Without enforcement the law is almost meaningless. Enforcement won't happen unless the community is being harmed in a some significant way.
If the ham community opened their arms to cbers and freebanders there just might be a large enough voting block to sway the government to leave most of the ham frequencies alone.
When the government takes over most of your beloved frequencies and you are jammed into 40 channels like the cbers are I bet you'll cry then. Ham operators are just like cbers they have elitist clicks and power hogs. They portray themselves as knowledgeable royality when in essence they are just glorified cbers.
Bruce if we don't wake up soon there will be nothing left to fight over.
I think you might be interested to know that I want the same thing you do, the ability to communicate clearly with other operators in a polite manner. Until ham operators are willing to invite all parties to the discussion table chaos will continue to reign. In the background the FCC will continue to pluck band after band from our hands.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Calmspirit I would be better able to respond to you if you would pose a counter arguement. |
Phoneman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:16 am: |
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Bigfoot,
I see, anyone that disagrees with you is a "computer rambo". You might be better served if you addressed the issues rather than calling names.
Please explain to me how the ham bands are a national security issue. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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See this is the problem " computer rambos" intresting word but why do you think so narrowly that all radio is going away to fit your needs ? If you think the internet cost big bucks now just let them get control of radio too. NO ONE is going to take away the ham bands for wireless internet so talk about scare geese do you realy THINK that or are you that narrow minded? I m a big computer user but i dont know of one person who would be intrested in " wireless internet " of this kind. Also HF is not dependable and the phase disatortion and other problems would make HF use for this a joke. NOW if we are talking MICROWAVE bands that another matter on THIS i agree with you we have a real threat to lose most of them but i stand by the fact computers and internet ARE NOT going to replace 2 way radio. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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Phoneman If you and others are sincere there are several things that would help greatly.
1) You say that hams should join with you to protect the ham bands the best way is to gain respect by how you who call your selves FREEBANDERS act.
2) Like i have said many times if you feel so strongly you are right get your lawmakers on the phone and go fight for the frequencys you feel you deserve.
3) When faced with the facts ( laws ) dont berate the writer if you dont feel he/she is right prove it.
History has proven that when you take away frequencys from the hams they NEVER go back to public use remember in 1918 all frequencys above 1.5 MHZ were HAM BANDS. International use of shotrwave is declining and we may gain a new 5MHZ band and one at 135 khz only because of the ARRL but again a few khz of 30 mhz that 80 years ago was ours. I say ours yes the peoples where else can you go and get on with out being asigned a channel and paying fees to use it.... leagaly.
Im probley the least critical of the hams you will meet but still a little respect for law is a requirement for a socity with out it everything you own is in danger. Remember where i work i see it all day
bruce |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 1:50 pm: |
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....okay... PHONE MAN ... dealing with this isue in an exact opposite frame...YOU can explain how the ham bands are NOT a national security issue. Please limit your responce to FACTS, and not your personal opinion. Thank you for Your help and cooperation in this manner and GOD bless the U.S.A............( having FUN with my radios, whether just listening or the OPTIONAL transmitter operation...) BIG FOOT |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 1:55 pm: |
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...THANK YOU bruce , for the FACTS on the situation, rather than opinions on a given topic or a situation. You are a wise man. Please continue to inform those who need the FACTS, now and in the future. Thank you for your contribution to this forum. BIG FOOT |
Phoneman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 4:00 pm: |
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Bigfoot,
If the ham bands didn't exist the military, commerce and government would not be affected. Therefore they are not a national security issue. On the other hand if you didn't have for example the airways or roadways for travel and transportation then you would have a national security issue. |
Phoneman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 4:38 pm: |
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Bruce,
1) I am not a freebander
2) Why would a freebander want to change the law when he can operate now without fear of being cited. Actually one of the reasons I joined this discussion is because ham operators have their heads in the sand thinking the FCC is going to suddenly start enforcing the law. My proposition to you is if the freebanders can operate with impunity what can be done to rectify the situation. Your approach is to site the law and berate anyone who wants to discuss using a radio in anyway remotely illegal. Your citing of the law on 23 channel radios is a prime example. Someone using a 23 channel radio isn't infringing on anyone elses rights and isn't even breaking the spirit of the law yet you can't wait to chastise them for doing so. Do you really believe this will make people want to listen and follow you?
3) Where did I berate you? I am trying to point out certain realities of the situation such as a law that is not enforced is not going to scare people away from doing a certain activity. Your constantly quoting of said law is not going to change the situation. If you want these freebanders to become hams then change your approach. Draw them into the fold don't push them away.
I agree with you when bands are taken away they don't revert back to public use. This only helps to prove my point unless there is a larger demand to leave these bands alone then they will be lost forever.
Call us hams, cbers or freebanders we are all the same we want to communicate. Shouldn't we try to focus on our similarities and join together our resources rather than bicker over things that will never change. Hams have been trying for years to get the FCC to enforce the law and the FCC has only made token enforcements. When are hams going to understand that the ham bands are a low priority for the FCC. They don't serve a large segment of the population and their use is dwindling. Major roads get their pot holes fixed. They get policemen to watch for speeders. Back roads get little attention from repair crews or from law enforcement. The cb and ham bands are backroads. They are not going to get the attention that you would like to see. Therefore we must find a way to solve this problem on our own. |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 4:49 pm: |
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Eee-gads!!!! All this ove one stupid question a guy had about his radio!!!! Why cant you guys get along? No wonder ive lost interest in this and alot of other forums..... Too much BS to contend with! |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 5:38 pm: |
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...wow...guess PHONE MAN told ME the facts !!!i only got 5 lines and ONE paragraph....look how much explaining BRUCE got in his message underneath mine ( scroll up and see for your self )....so apparently cb and ham operators are "back road operators "...hmmm----LOL Big FOOT |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 5:50 pm: |
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I was in coms in the Army and we learned the terms "elmer and Lid" about the first week of radio school!!
I was in the ASA (Army Security Agency) That was the electronic collection branch, of the Army I was an 05k20(MOS). Went to school at FT Devens MA
I am now and always will operate my radios as I see fit. I do not cause rfi and get along with all my neighbors!!
So cut the "ham" propaganda and let the people run thier equipment as they wish
I spent 20yrs in the Army and learned to avoid the Know it alls.
I retired as an E-7 in 1989 and think that I am qualified to state what I belive |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 6:42 pm: |
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Hey, i thought this post was about 10 meteres in a galaxy melaka? was it not? |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 8:08 pm: |
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Taz,
You are right. All i ask was a simple question about the mod and you see what i got !!
All i want is some one to tell me the mod if they dont have it dont post!!!!!
Bigfoot please refrain from making any posts to any thread that I start.
Again all i wanted was a mod to return 10 to my Melaka.
Thanks to those of you that gave me ideas on how to do it.
If this makes past the moderator i will be very surpised ( I wont blame him)
To Bruce I DO know what an "elmer or a lid " is !! Maybe NOT the same thing YOU "think" it is so please dont tell me I dont know what I am talking about. Just because you have an idea about what you think is right dont try to force your views on others!!
Forummaster Note : Beaconman I have edited your post. If it is unacceptable in its current format please let me know and I will delete it. I agree if you cannot answer his question please refrain from posting to this thread. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:19 pm: |
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Beaconman, I can't answer your question, but just wanted to say I don't blame you for being upset. You were treated like lots of people have been on this forum, you asked a simple question, and people that don't have any idea how to answer, start with the BS about the FCC and what's legal or illegal. For what reason I don't know, are they trying to impress with their knowledge, or do they think they are gonna scare someone. I believe that most on this forum probably bought their equipment, and are capable of deciding how to use it. I also would bet that nobody that has posted in this thread is completly legal or follows all the rules. Think I'm wrong, well answer this, do you talk over 5 minutes without sighing off, if so you broke a rule. And a rule is a rule. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 9:50 pm: |
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Beaconman,have you thought of using a crystal switch,and using more than one v.c.o. crystal e.g. cbc intnl.super expo? |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:03 pm: |
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...as a polite idea on MY part..every one who reads this can take a few seconds out of one minute of this day and ...scroll up and see how many folks contributed to this situation...then come to your usual brilliant American solution....GOD bless the U.S.A....where most of us still have a few freedoms...BIG FOOT |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:05 pm: |
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Fourmaster,
Yeah its ok. I am sorry about some of the things I said and I understand why they didnt get posted but I needed to vent
Thanks |
Tech181
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:05 am: |
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Beaconman,
If you have registered for the Subscriber (Preview) area you can check out this link.
http://www.copperelectronics.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?file=/7750/7518.html&lm=1006734404
Basically all I would think you would need to do is reverse the mod from the radio's stock form by the use of a couple of SPST switches, or use a DPDT switch like you mentioned earlier.
Your mod should work, and if it does, write it up and submit it to tech307@copperelectronics.com. We are compiling a book of new mods and this would be a great addition.
Getting a question answered shouldn't be this difficult. Enjoy!
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 4:33 am: |
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Psssst,enough already.(Don't look at me I didn't say nothing). |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 4:37 pm: |
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OK thanks. I will write it up and submit it and I really didnt mean to start a big hassel!!! |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:07 am: |
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Well i did the mod as I posted and it WORKS great.
Thanks to all who had Ideas |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 9:08 am: |
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...beaconman..send us an update on how well it has worked...please !!...( praise the lord )...BIG FOOT |
Beaconman
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:07 pm: |
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Well the mod to get 10meters back works well I just flip the switch and ten is back filp it the other way and I have all my channels back |
