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Psychoradio
| | Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 2:33 am: | 
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Hey Jyd, did your friends klv1000 operate below 28 when he got it, or did he have to modify?? The klv I just received will not talk below there. Whats up?? By the way you were right of course, about the power, 1400 on am. Nevr doubted you. |
jyd
| | Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 2:01 pm: |
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i e-mailed you |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:10 pm: |
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The spects say it will do 700 max on AM and 1400 SSB.
Now does it key 700 and swing from there or does it ONLY swing to 700 on AM? |
Psychoradio
| | Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:42 pm: |
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Thanks jyd! |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 1:42 am: |
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swings to 700 |
jyd
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 8:50 am: |
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no,it will key less than 500 and heeeeeeellllllooo and sits on 1400. |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 2:04 pm: |
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1400? |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 3:39 pm: |
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Cool! is that the high drive version (i think its called the 100P) or the low drive version?
Also what kind of meter did you see it swing to 1400 on? Im curious!! :-) |
jyd
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 7:10 pm: |
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a dosey 4000watt meter,and the meter is quit acurate.it was the regular 1000klv not high drive with a 2527 behind it.and a 4 element beam.but i like my 8 tube maverick better.it is louder dont get hot and will key 150 and swing 1200 or 1300 swing average power is 900.audio is the ticket.i have a friend that does 2500 bird watts and i can still be heard when he is talking.cause my set up is so loud.it would do about 1500watts buti would have to have a 24volt transformer.it has been changed over from 4-6jg6a"s and 4 6lq6's,now it has 4 12jt6a's driveing 4 24lq6's.in order to do more watts i would have to change the transformer to 24volts but i am not going to do that.right now, i can talk all day and never get hot also it will take more drive to,i put about a 2 watt key and a 40 swing into it. |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 8:06 pm: |
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not on am it didnt do 1400 |
jyd
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 8:45 pm: |
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taz i am not dumb i have been on the radio longer than you,i dont know it all. but i know what i am talking about.why does everyone always put people down.once again (taz)if a klv 400 will do over 500 with 2 tubes why wont a 1 driveing 4 do 1400.do you have one of these taz? until you purchase one you will never know.i am not trying to be rude.but i know what i am talking about.it showed 1400 on 3 diffrent meters. |
psychoradio
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 8:59 pm: |
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Hey Taz. This klv1000 is right out of the box, on high 2 it keys around 600 or 700 and swings right to 1500, on the meter on the amp. When I have my Dosy hookedup to it, 2000w. I always down play the readig on the dosy cause every one knows they lie about forward swing. I was pushing it with a 2950 that keyd about 2 and swings to 12. Beleive it or not. The only problem ws this wa in 28mhz, It wont talk below 28 at the moment. Im lokin for the conversion info. |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 10:54 pm: |
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Ok now ive read of 4 people now that say the 1000 will do 1400. So i guess majority rules here then. I emailed another fella that sells the KLV 1000s and he said on his meter he saw it key 600 or so and swing to 1500. Sorry to bust your bubble Taz but majority rules here on this subject. Not trying to be rude but 4 people cant be wrong from what ive seen and read and heard... |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 10:59 pm: |
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hmm, if im not mistaken it runs the el509's and there are 5 of them.
well the el509 is a 140 watt tube
140
x 5
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700
well those are factory specs and usually under rate the tubes. so lets add another 50 watts per tube.
950-1000 watts
i would say maybe no more that 1100 watts and thats pushing it. |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:00 pm: |
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and jyd, i never sad you were dumb and i dont think that by any means. and even if you have been on the radio longer than me dosent mean diddly squat! to me it sounds like your bragging but im not going to argu with anyone.
Taz |
Tech181
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:40 pm: |
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What's your reflected power when the thing peaks out at 1400?
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
jyd
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 9:52 am: |
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taz, i am not bragging about anything.i really dont care what a klv1000 does.someone asked me and i told them.i got on the radio and he said the needle shows just barly swr is almost flat reflection about the same.taz,you started it not me.i will take a very stingy cherokee meter there and see what it shows.kinda like the syncron.after i check it i am calling this subject done getting to hairy. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 10:20 am: |
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Now that's a good question on the reflected power, as most of the meters we use show reflected as more 'swing'. If you put a lot of these big swing amps on a RMS meter, it'll break your heart. Almost enough to give you PMS.
Taz, that's some good ciphering on the tubes, however, you can't really count the 5 tubes, just the 4 finals. Your not gonna get anymore output from an amplifier than whatever the finals are good for, the driver is just that, driving the finals. I'm not making any argument here about the output of the KLV, because I've never even seen one, but I see some impossible big numbers posted for lots of other amps that I have owned.
After saying this, we all know that a meter is just a reference anyway, and if the owner of an amplifier or meter is satisfied with the performance, that's all that counts. |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 2:59 pm: |
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Not to start but you guys know the single one thing that seems to start an arugment on -ANY- forum seems to always be the meter swing deal! Thats why anymore when i post a post about what a radi is doing anymore i keep the amount my radio or amp swing to myself because well, its no ones buiness what my radio do on my meter. It just causes too much •••• on the forums! JMHO! |
jyd
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 4:52 pm: |
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true,i just want to know where he came up with 140 each,they are not rated.depends on voltage and other factors.wer not talking pills.its all good i dont care.somebody must have been refering to my amp,people say your amp wont swing 1200 i had one of those.that dont mean a thing cause my box was rewired for better tubes, bigger tubes.i just wont make any coments about linears anymore.i am done on this discussion.case closed for me |
Psychoradio
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 11:51 pm: |
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Hey this is bullll! i was just trying to thank JYD for helping me out with some info. Everyone keys up with there opinion. JYD, when we talk again maybe I'll just email you. You have been correct thus far, thanks, later. psychoradio |
409
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 3:31 am: |
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The 24LQ6's won't do any more than the 6LQ6's. They are the SAME tube except for the heater voltage. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 8:59 am: |
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409 your exactly right, I've got a mada amp that's been changed from 6LQ6's to 24LQ6s, and it does the same as before. The reason I changed it, the 24LQ6s are avaiable. The heater voltage is the only difference. They are still an 80 watt tube.
Psychoradio, remember this is a forum, when you post things you expect opinions, or at least most people do. When someone posts these high numbers for amplifiers, I guess we could all say, golly-a, man thats a-gettin' it. However, I believe most people on this forum have some knowledge of radio equipment, and is gonna wonder why and how your getting those numbers. All tubes and transisitors have their limits, plain and simple, they want exceed those limits for very long. |
jyd
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 9:03 am: |
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your welcome |
jyd
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:52 am: |
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ok,i realize i have been mislead about my tubes.but you can not say how much power a sweep tube is not 80 watts.the guy at rf parts laughed at me when i said a el-519 was 200 tube. sweep tubes are not rated power wise. |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 3:25 pm: |
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JYD not to sound mean but you know when u post a remark on how much your radios and amps will swing on your meter you will invariably get someone that will try to tell you your stuff does not do what it is doing just to challenge your thoughts and remarks.. If i were you id keep the meter swing reading remarks to yourself like i do then that will save you some grief!! :-) |
jyd
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 4:20 pm: |
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it all stated over someone asking a question,i ansured the question.then people start in.i have seen my radio do 30watts on a bird 43.anyway you are right.i will start sending e-mails instead. |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 4:46 pm: |
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Scrapiron. I had a D&A fantom 500 and it had 12 tubes. I had my tech replace all the tubes with the 24LQ6's even if the 6LQ6's were all farily ok and i didnt notice any change at all with the power output (no i will not post on how much i saw on my meter. sorry!) but i did see some extra change in my pocket on the difference in the price of the tubes!!! LOL! |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 5:47 pm: |
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well said scrapiron and hoosier cardinal |
Psychoradio
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 8:24 pm: |
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Taz your back out! You also said you knew Messanger, when I asked you to speak to him about me, you never did. Do you even know messanger, or the other guys you refered to? JYD helped me out and I was trying to thank him, I dont need you to key up with your opinion right now. As a matter of fact, I recall you blowing up your amp or something cause you opened it up with out knowing what your doing, and then you started a week long post about the amp and the "swr" or whatever before you informed everybody what the real problem was. Now JYD is talking abot not posting on certain topics because this buisness. JYD has helped me out and next time he might not. You posted above that the klv1000 swings to 700?? As if you have ever seen one. You seem to speak first and think later. I like you tAZ, but I dont need you out here messing a post up were I was just trying to get the correct info before proceeding. Later
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Psychoradio
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:52 pm: |
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Hey, by the way guys, lets not post what our experinces are with equiptment regarding power, or meters, or swing. Thats ecxactly why I bought this amp and half of my other equiptment. This post is open, mostly for all things cb, you want to make it all things cb ..but power, swing, meters, modulation. Whats next? radios? whatever! I read the posts, see peoples experiences with radios and what not, and then I decide. If it was not for JYDs post about the klv 1000, I never even would have got one. JYD hooked me up with some insight, and then guys out here start second guessing him that have no idea whats going on. I love copper and this forum even though I have been here a short time, I respect everyone, but its time I spoke up on this, Im tired of watching JYD opinion get slammed and Im not looking to be next.
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Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:08 am: |
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Yes i know messenger, hes about 6'8 hes big and drives a white ford f-150 and now uses a connex 3300 i beleive. he has a cbs 500 or 1000 at his base in tempe I beleive. he hasnt been on the radio in such a long time i havent had a chance to talk to him. I was in minnesota for a while visiting an old friend. All of a sudden I feel slammed, when I try to voice my opinion and say my 2 cents people get hurt. And its Taz, not tAZ. No psycho I never opened the case on my radio. It was worked on by 307 and this is how it works now. Why? I have no idea. I have had this amp for a long time and the first radio I was using with it was setup by somone who thought they knew what they were doing. I have gained alot of experience since then. Yes I know messenger, and t-bolt and captain bob and lone rider and alot of others out here. I have met alot of them personally. I not only have seen one of the klv-1000 but have seen it run to the max and blown up. I am finished with this discussion. If you would like to continue it you can email me.
Taz
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Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:13 am: |
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Hooiser, the old D&A Phantoms were/are really tough amps, and because of the 'grid tune', which matched the input to SWR, they would do more watts than other amps using the same tubes. Some of the other D & A's had the 'grid tune' also. I've put lots of hours on the old Phantoms.
About the 6LQ6 tubes, they also made 17LQ6, 24LQ6, and 31LQ6. They will all work in place of the 6LQ6s, without a lot of changing. You don't even need another transformer. The tube heaters will work on AC or DC current. By wiring the heaters in series, you can use the 120 volt AC. Say you have 4 finals, and use the 24LQ6s, you need 24 X 4 = 96 volts. So by wiring the proper resistor in series with the heaters, you can easily drop the 120 volts AC to 96 volts. Another good thing about the 24 volt heaters, they are almost instant on, not much warm up required. |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:15 am: |
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And another thing, since I "MESSED" up your post I appologize. |
Forummaster
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:58 am: |
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Every subject is and should be open for discussion. What is not open is personal attacks. Calling someone names doesn't prove your point or disprove theirs. So from this point on if any post includes a personal attack I will no longer edit out the personal attack I will just reject the post.
Having your statement or idea challenged furthers the learning process. Some things cannot be proved or disproved via this forum so readers will be left to decide which to believe by the evidence you provide.
This is the problem with most discussions on the radio they break down into personal attacks and end up in each party trying to out power the other. |
409
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 3:19 am: |
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jyd....you are correct that sweep tubes are not rated in watts output. This is because they are receiving tubes, not transmitting. You have to look at the plate dissipation to see how much power you can expect from each type. Sweep tubes were never designed to run as an RF power amp. When used in this way , they are operated at higher than design limits, but for shorter duty cycles. This is why you will get much shorter tube life if you run them on the high power setting and have long key-down times. |
jyd
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
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mine has the grid tune,what i dont understand is.i use some nice equipment and people want to knock it. |
jyd
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
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thank you 409,thats what i wanted to here.i guess the learning process just started.i learn more every day.i am fixing to ad a tram d201a to my equipment.to me thats a real radio. |
Hoosier Cardinal
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 3:55 pm: |
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JYD.
Dont let them get to you! If you are proud of what you run let it be at that! who cares what they say! I like my stuff and if someone doesnt like my equipment and what it does well. Sounds like you definetly got it ah goin on though with that mav 25 and that KLV!!!! By happy with what you run and dont worry about the naysayers!! I dont!!!!! Because, I dont care! LOL
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