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BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 8:52 pm: | 
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any one know of an OLD realistic BASE type scanner that recieves the 800-900 Mhz cell phone stuff ?? either from the factory ( very OLD ) or that could be modified ? NOT wanting to buy one, just local cb stations SAY they have one ( but accidently on purpose forget to give a model number ) ......... BIG FOOT |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 1:21 am: |
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It is not a standard scanner. FCC regs prohibit scanners from receiving Cell Phone Frequencies. These cell phone frequencies are blocked out on the scanners at the factory. I imagine there are some out there who modifiy the things.
But be careful. Listening in to Cell Phone calls in not legal from what I understand of the law. |
Shadow
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 6:00 pm: |
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My scanner I bought from Radio Shack can listen to cell phone conversations just fine.
It is unmodified and came straight from Radio Shack.
It is the:
Radio Shack
PRO-2026
Model #: 20-148A
It's not as jumpin' as it use to be before they came out with the new digital cell phones but some people still have them around in my area and the scanner works perfect so I'm still using it. |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 6:51 pm: |
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Re, the shadow....
Are you sure you are not listening to those walkie talkie remote telephones you can get at any wal mart for 19.95. Now those are open frequencies and I even listen to those chats. No problem there.
I had, before someone stole it, one of the rad shacks hand held 300 trunkiing scanners. Not a bad scanner. You could not listen to the true Cell Phone, as it Bell South Mobility, conversations as this particular unit came out the box.
So if you hear a telephone conversation it is probably one of those walkie talkie telephone units. |
Buck
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 7:17 pm: |
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I have a uniden bc700a that recieves cell phone frequencies and it is also unmodified. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 8:25 pm: |
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It is illegal in all 50 states and also under federal law. Even if they are not digital or are cordless phones on 900 or 46 mhz the law still applys Now IF you have a scanner made before the ban you are NOT exempt just because you can get them dosn't make it legal.... NOW this is MY opinion THIS IS A STUPID LAW ! but it is the law. |
Skullman
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 6:17 pm: |
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OH MY GOODNESS !!! Bruce called a law stupid. Is this a sign of the Apocolypse? Just kidding. Several scanners can recieve cordless phone freq. with no modifications at all. To me it seems more dangerous listening to your neighbors whom you might know and have no idea you can hear them, then a total stranger miles away. Plus it's publicised all over the place that cell phones can be intercepted by scanning radios. I even know of a few ham radios that are capable of recieving and transmitting on those freqs.
Moral to the story is anything wireless can be intecepted. Trunked, scrambled, encypted, ANYTHING. The question is what you do with this power? Me, I just listen for fun. I don't steal credit card numbers or blackmail my nieghbors. If every one had this approach the FCC wouldn't be so hard on anyone.
By the way I have a Uniden BCT7 mobile base scanner, no mods, and can hear all the cell, cordless, and so on, prohibted type transmissions. Bought it new at WAL-MART last year. Go figure. |
Insider
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:00 pm: |
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It's probably the Radio Shack Realistic PRO-2006, which needs to be modified to get cell reception. The mod is about as simple as it can get. Clip a diode and bang Cellphone coverage.
I wanted one of those back when they first came out, but by time I saved up the money, they weren't availabe. The things sell for more on ebay now used than they did brand new. Of course, I'm sure you can buy scanners on the internet, imports/export models, that are modifiable.
I used to listen to the neighbors(46-49MHz cordless phones) when they tried to form their "block watch" about 8 years ago. Yep, a case of someone monitoring the monitors. Learned a few interesting things...
BTW, I think the 2004 and 2005 scanners can also receive the analog cellphone band, but the 2006 had the best lowest to highest coverage frequency range of the series. |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 11:09 pm: |
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Guys it is WELL KNOWN i do not agree with this law. If its out there in anolog form it should be fair game. I DONT agree with BANING 23 ch radios but i understand the FCC's problem at that time too many were just plane poop. I DONT agree with REQUIREING CODE again i understand the ITU requirement but im 53 been licenced since i was 13 and guess what in 40 years radio has had a few advancements ... like digital. Now i DO AGREE that ILLEAGAL stations do not deserve any protection under the law if your illegal your on your own. Thoes who break the law have no right to want protection under it since they only want it when it sutes their cause.... i hear this poop all day long at work. I always welcome thoes who beleve enough to go through the channles and attempt to corect laws that they feel are unneeded or wrong. And im always willing to lissen even to freezerman. |
Radiodude
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 8:09 am: |
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Dont know about a base scanner but... If you can find a Bearcat 2500xlt hand held it will get 800mhz...but there is a trick to do it. Program search to 1200 1300 mhz and you will get the 800 band (1200-400=800) image I think. Work s well
If you need more info email me |
Insider
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 1:12 pm: |
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23 Channel radios are illegal? I thought they were grandfathered in under the FCC rules.
I guess I should tell my nephew not to use that Cobra Cam 89 I gave him.
I remember when it was legal to listen to cellphones, and especially cordless phones as they were effectively relagated to the same status as baby monitors. Those Radio Shack Scanners that are so popular came out at the tip of when all this was legal, but soon to be illegal.
I agree with you, if it's not encrypted, you should be able to hear it. As for the code in ham radio, finally someone points out the main reason why code can't be eliminated: international treaty. HF is regulated by many countries, not just the FCC.
Though I can't totally blame all the indivuals who think it's the FCC keeping code alive. The ones who don't look into it further and attempt to research it, that's another story.
It's just part of nature to, at times, think we are the only ones effected by something. As much as we try to deny it, and I'm guilty of this too, there are times when we think our own country, or state is the only place that matters.
Since we are on the subject of stupid laws, I think the whole concept of "Hate Crime" laws is just down right dumb. Tell me what crime of physical violence or blatant slander, or harrassment against another person isn't a hate crime?
This portion of My Opinions has been brought to you by Copper Electronics. Copper...bringing service and selection to the world of citizen's band radio at a reasonable cost. Stop by copperelectronics.com today! |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 3:49 pm: |
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i think its just illegal to be sold by a busniess or manufactured anymore. |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 4:45 pm: |
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...wow mighty STRONG words from an " insider " ( lol )..........cw on the amateur bands is great... one of the simpliest ways to communicate a message, universal language, does not require high power to be effective, and best of all, "john doe " some times does not have any idea what the message is !! (( having fun with my radios )) BIG FOOT |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 7:08 pm: |
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ALL..... ANY SALE OF 23 CHANNEL CB RADIOS IS ILLEAGAL and has been since Jan of 1977 NOW a few sets had DUAL type acceptance a few hygains and johnsons but the were made to be 40 ch sets and shiped with a 23 ch selector. I have a list of them burried somewhere im my pile of junk along with the fcc ban. AS for lissing to cordless phones in florida it is ILLEGUAL and probley is in most states the catch seams to bee if it is hooked to a phone line it is illeagal. .... baby monitors are not. |
wa4gch
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 7:14 pm: |
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here is a copy of a letter i have from the FCC
Mr. Mallon,
You are correct, that the older 23 channel CB radios may no longer be sold or used. This is because the technical specifications in our rules were tightened up at the same time that the additional 17 channels were added, back in the 1970's. As a result, the older 23 channel radios do not comply with the newer technical requirements.
The importation, sale and/or use of CB linear amplifiers is also illegal.
I hope this helps.
Sincerely, Gary Hendrickson |
Insider
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 8:44 pm: |
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Thanks everyone for the clarification on the 23 channel radios.
Bruce, you are right. If memory serves correct, Listening to cordless phones is a federal offense and became so at the same time the act prohibiting cellphone monitoring went into effect. What is it, five years in prison if you get caught?
"cw on the amateur bands is great..." Big Foot
I plan on learing cw as I eventually want to get into ham radio. In addition, I think cw might be more reliable than digital modes. In my experience, digital tends to be rather pickey. The radio station I work for uses a digital satelite system to receive its syndicated programming. I tell you, there are times when it seems the wind is blowing wrong and the satelite feed drops out anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes.
From my understanding, an experienced cw operator can copy cw transmissions that are marginally reciveable.
As for the strong words, thanks. I enjoy a good session of discourse now and again. The Copper Forum is one of the few places where one can have an intelligent conversation on a given subject--mostly radios, but sometimes other issues in the open forum. |
Ranger
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 9:13 pm: |
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Hi Guys it has been a while since i been here on the copper's site, but this looks like some good info scanner's, As myself have a 2006 that i bought off ebay for a few dollars to much, but i have had it for about a year and you can not think of the stuff you hear on it, this one was made for canada and came unlocked and gets it all, as i know the mod is simple to do to the unlocked ones, My local ham guy has told me that he think's that any thing that is on the air waves should be up for grabes, and i think he is right, as the FCC can make things up above 2000Mhz range but then we would not beable to listen to it i believe, correct me if I'm wrong on that, but then we would all be doing nothing wrong and they dont want that do they, well i like all the post on this subject and just thought i would throw in my 2 cents worth. |
Biged
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 11:38 am: |
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I agree, I think that anything that is floating in the air should be up for grabs. When I have a phone conversation that I think may need to be private, I always use the landline. Its not illegual (do you like that bruce?) to listen to any ham freqs without a liscense is it? No, as long as you dont key up it is perfectly legit. So whats the difference what freq it is that you decide to monitor? Eddie |
Insider
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 2:55 pm: |
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One word of caution Biged, Many long distance converastions are transmitted by satelite from pointo to point, so even on a hardwired phone there may be points where the conversation is over the air in digital form, but not encrypted from what I recall.
The only real private means of communication is still the US postal service. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 8:35 pm: |
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Hi guys again you all know i think the c-phone ban is stupid and a self serving law for the c-phone people however it is the law. As for unlocked radios it is not illegal to own one if it was not illegal at the time the radio was produced how ever it must have been leagal in the US. so if your radio was produced for canada DOT not FCC you got a problem but must have dual acceptance. The problem is and always will be is it hooked to a phone line if so you fall under sec 605 and other laws involving non public intended comunications.... secret if you wish. The new 2GHZ bands will almost all be digital and the algorithem will be copyrighted by someone so you got another law .... i can see it comming ! So you can hear them but you do it at your own risk but except for someone being realy stupid unlucky or both i dont expect to see any of you hauled off kicking and screaming. |
Biged
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 11:30 pm: |
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I once lived in a neghborhood where I ran a Turbo (2990) my neghbor told me that I bled over his phone. Hmm, I cant understand why.LOL. I then started getting into the scanner thing and had cordless phone freqs into it. I could accualy hear them talk about me and my radio to other people. If I was to key up at the same time they were talking on the phone and I was monitoring the scanner, it would cause feedback. Boy the first time I did that it sure scared them. I learned quickly to not key when they were using the phone. Kinda funny...Eddie |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 6:58 am: |
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Biged my neghbor called the fcc and a congressman and got them out to " Shut Down " me in 1977 because he clamed i wiped out tv set for blocks around. I came home and within a short time had a FCC field agent at my door. This guy had no tack and had not done his homework so when i led hin to a neat WELL filtered 6 meter station WITH my license hanging on the wall and log ( a requirement in thoes days) sitting on the desk the man was in the middle of a bad case of foot in his mouth deseese. We got it squared up but he never even offered a " sorry" thats ok he didn't last long with them anyway.... o the ofender.... a guy who called himself BROWN BOMBER the FCC found a 11 element beam and 5000 watts at his place..... i never found out if HE had a filter a license much less a log. |
DeadlyEyes
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 10:19 pm: |
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RE Bruce, FCC visit....
He should have known the defference in the beams/antennas. A 6 meter antenna is a unique looking critter. It is larger than a 2 meter beam and smaller than a standard CB beam. It makes ya wonder sometimes.
And what is this with the neat station. Good gosh man don't you know that you are required to have wires running all over the place, stacks of ham radio magazines piled up in the corner, half eaten pizas due to late night DX work and of course the obligitory wish list hanging on the wall listing every piece of radio equipment you will never afford to own.
DE |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 2:39 am: |
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It makes you wonder if the fcc hires these guys strait out of McDonalds academy! |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 4:58 am: |
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I've met a number of FCC people over the years 99% realy are fair and tring to do a good job 1% are worthless but at the jail we have the same problem with 1500 employees out local paper will find about 1 per year and its frount page! Making things worse this guy did not even notice by car license plate which had my call on it and a bumper sticker that said " Hams do it with greater frequency" Hey how did you know about the piles of ham mags and half eaten pizzas! if you want to see my station go to www,qrz.com and type in my call the photo is a year old but untill this room is finished it will look like that. like i said still fighting the 34648 zip o well the qsl's get here anyway.
bruce |
Biged
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 2:17 pm: |
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Bigfoot,
Here is a list that I found on modifiable scanners for the cell freqs.
Pro 2004, 2005, 2006, 2022, 2026, 2027, 2032, 34, 37, 39, 43, 46, 51...I dont know if this is what you were looking for or not, but I found this info and remembered you were asking about it...Eddie |
Biged
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 2:19 pm: |
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Bigfoot, this would have probably been easier.Duh!
http://web2.airmail.net/mattj/radio/scanner.htm
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BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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...BIG ED thank you for the information...BIG FOOT |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:04 am: |
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...sold the bc-9000 2 weeks ago, but thank you for the valuable information any way, perhaps some one else can use this info in the future...BIG FOOT |
Capncrunch
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 7:13 am: |
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there are plenty of mods for scanners on the net just do a search but also check out the icom icr2 the canadian model covers from .495 -1300.995 and it is very small handheld like the size of a pack of smokes and pretty cheap the us model is about $170 |
inspector
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:34 pm: |
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I have an Icom IC-R2 (US model) and it receives cellular "images" from 490 to 509MHz....Got mine at a ham-show for $120 new! |
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