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BIG BIRD
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HEY PEOPLE
I am going to set up a base station and want a good antenna. I like the MACO but do not like the looks my neighbors will give it. I am thinking of the ARMY STICK. I have heard good and bad about this antenna. Please let me know what you think?
THANKS
BIG BIRD
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Taz
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 2:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try the imax-2000 or a99
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jyd
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 8:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maco is better than a big amy stick,but i-max 2000 is better than both.
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BIG BIRD
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 8:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Taz - But I do not want a SPLATTER STICK...
I know that the Maco and the ARMY STICK do not cause as much TVI as the Antron Products..
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BIGFOOT
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

do not worry about what the neighbors think...do THEY go " out of their way to please YOU " ? ( no )...I use the MACO v 5/8 and it beats an ANTRON 99 hands down...better recieve..lower swr through wider band..metal is better than fiberglass..put up which ever one you want.
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Bullseye
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like the Maco better all around than the others for omni's but your choice. They all will TX and RX fairly well.
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Taz
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 5:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

True, the antron is a splatter stick. Take a small beam. Even the smallest beam is better than the best omni directional
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bopper
Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 8:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about a dipole hidden in the trees or under your eves?
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Taz
Posted on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 3:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes but its directional and you cant turn it right when you want to. Of corse its a good idea if you dont want to be found
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BIG BIRD
Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the info. I am renting a house and it took me days to get permision to put up a small antenna. I told them it looked like a flagpole so I guess the Maco is out of the question. Why is the IMAX so good. I know so many people that have the 99 and they says it bleeds like crazy even with the GPK. I have a friend that has a Army Stick and talks all day with a Dave Made 2 Pill and has no problems with bleedover. That is why I might get the Big Army Stick.
THANKS
BB
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Lou Cypher
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 2:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Splatter" is a result of (a.) overmodulation of a transmitted signal and/ or (b.) poor receiver selectivity.

A properly modulated signal will usually not splatter or bleedover, no matter what the power level or the antenna type, provided the transmitter is properly aligned per spec's.

Nevertheless, if someone is running 1KW plus, and your receiver is 30 ft. away with poor filtering circuits, you are going to hear bleedover.

That's the way RF is. It's not very forgiving of poor design charcteristics or poor operating practice.
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bruce
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 6:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lou your SOOO right this is why i try to reason with people on tinkering with the radios. its too bad that spectrum analizers are so expensive maby people would think thinks out better if they could look at what there radio looked like and what the other stations had to lissen too. Not all mods are bad some realy do make a radio sound better but the ones i heard like the control carrer effect of swinging 1-45 watts is at best a throw back to the mid 60's and the days of the old screen modulated radios like the senica and even the drake T-4 transmitters. As for selectivity the channel guards work wonders in most radios but can cause problems in others. RF is a finite idem you cannot make it do what YOU want it to do for 60+ years many GOOD books have been printed on RF Willam Orr, The ARRL and RSGB handbooks are very good sourses of information wrote for people like us who are not rocket wizerds Guys i catch hell for preaching GOOD engineering guidelines when tearing into that well thought out radio you just payed good money for THINK are you smarter than the people who built it?
bruce
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Taz
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lou, good point. MY NEIGHBORS T.V. HAS NO FRONT END FILTERING WHAT SO EVER AND HE IS ON RABBIT EARS! What do I do then? NOTHING CAN BE DONE! AND THATS ACCORDING TO THE LAW! Let me explain:

1. All electronics must accept interference.

2. If your station complies with all fcc rules and regulations and are still affecting electronics you can still operate your station.

Those two laws Hide alot of people! I run a low pass filter (DRAKE) and when he had cable he was fine. now he gots rabbit ear antennas and i bleed on his t.v. like crazy!

And if you blow up his t.v. he cant do anything about criminal damage because the fcc law (1.) that I wrote above protects me from that!

My neighbor is going to suffer the wrath of the TAZ!

p.s. im not yelling at you just yelling.
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Taz
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HECK, MY FRS RADIOS BLEED ON HIM! HE MUST HAVE LIKE 500 PRE AMPS ON THERE. He needs a highpass filter.
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RCI2990
Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 2:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL! Thats exactly true. there is NOTHING he can do to you as long as *ahem* you stay legal.. ;-)
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Taz
Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 8:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Im 14 and am telling this guy how it is. Haha, I own his t.v. and phone

Next time he comes over hes going to get arrested for assult count 3, tresspassing.
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bruce
Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 9:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yea TAZ *AHEM* stay leagual
..... Hummm in Arz is assult verbal and battery contact??
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RCI2990
Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taz....But when you said your FRS bled on him i about fell off my chair laughing my A$$ off!!!!!!!
Either he has a very cheap TV or he does have like 50 preamps to get a signal....
What a joke...........

He needs a good filter or a good TV set and junk the crap he has now..... LOL>
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Taz
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 1:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it is. not sure.

I will continue to stay leagel until he gets the point and he will shut the heck up.
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bruce
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 7:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey i got a idea get him a subscription to playboy and he'll be too bussy to care if taz's tearing him up.
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RCI2990
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey what you ought to do is see if a kiddie walkie talkie bleeds his TV!!! HA!!!!
What a jerk, some people like to bitch to hear themselves bitch!!
BTW does the guy have a life to speak of that you know of? I mean does he live alone or even have a g/f or even a job???
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Taz
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 8:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He has a job, a girlfriend and a son. His son is a bastard (no offense) and he smokes and deals drugs. Hes going bye bye.
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Taz
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 8:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Did I mention frs are at couple hundred milliwatts?
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14isnoexcuse
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 2:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taz should be prohibited from saying he is 14 any more. WE KNOW, WE KNOW!!! Geeezz!!!! Do you consider yourself handicaped by your age?
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Taz
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 6:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey 14isnoexcuse, why do you feel it was nessicary to make a name like that? Are you out to pound me or give me a hard time?

No I am not handicapped just I thought it was funny a kid owns his cheap chinese junk 1300 dollar t.v.

No offense to Chinese, just junk t.v.

You must be somone else on the forum mr. 14isnoexcuse, are you 14? or just jealous of my age?
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Lou Cypher
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taz:

I understand your frustration and you are probably 100% right as far as FCC rules go. Before you fight this battle, decide if this is something you want to put yourself through.

First of all, in this day and age, ANYBODY can and will sue someone in civil court. In which case, unless you have a relative that's an attorney and willing to work pro bono, you'll have to represnt yourself in court. If you're 14, your parent or guardian is going to get hauled into court to stand at your side.

You'll have to articulate your case and hope you can convince the judge your not at fault. If you win - great. If not, get out your checkbook.

And don't think the FCC will come riding in like the cavalry to rescue you. The FCC cares about one thing - $$$$$.

Unless you're GTE, Sprint, or one of the BIG telecom companies paying millions of dollars for an FCC license, they consider the CB band as more trouble than it's worth.

Who do you think get's special attention - two people fighting over interference in a free, unlicensed radio service that generates no income for the gov't, or some cellular company with political clout and stacks of money to pay for licenses?

It's cold, cruel world out there.
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Taz
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am already ahead of the game lou. Hes pi**ing in the wind!
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14isnoexcuse
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taz,

No offense intended. My friendly point is that whenever things get a little tight on the board or in something you are explaining happened to you, as soon as you get pinched or feel you are being victimized, you pull out the 'I'm only 14' card. Like my name implies, 14 is no excuse. If things get tight, simply say 'I messed up' or 'I made a mistake' or 'I jumped to a conclusion' instead of 'I'm ONLY 14!!!!!'. In order to gain the respect of your peers (in this case, other people on the air and the forums), you have to play the part of a peer and not dive into the '14 excuse'. Personally I'm glad to see your enthusiasm and participation in the conversations. Sometimes you come up with something really hot! Remember, this board is filled with everyone of all ages, some younger than you, most probably older. You don't see anyone else jumping to the age card. Not even those younger than you. This may be the best advice anyone has ever given you: Take responsibility for your own actions and your own words based on your decisions, do not use anything including age, I.Q., money or health as an excuse for your actions. People will respect you for who you are and not think of you as someone who relies on a handicap or excuses for justifying errors in judgement.
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Taz
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dont need you to tell me this i get it enough. i dont appriciate your posts. I would prefer if you didnt even speak to me. I will learn from my mistakes.