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Paleface
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 2:04 am: | 
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Hey All, I’ve done every thing I can to keep the folks across the street happy. I’ve changed several antennas, used several different TVI filters as well as using a 12 foot 1/2” diameter solid copper ground rod drove in the ground with nothing but 6” left sticking up and ran 12ga copper wire to all my equipment and a separate ground rod for my antenna. Run an SWR of 1.1Even twisted the coax around the base just under the antenna on the pole and tried that trick. Still I got one complainer that keeps calling the police on me every time I get on the radio. I don’t talk on my own phones or TV what so ever. I just don’t get it. I’m trying to do the right thing. I’m running a Cobra 2000 dead key of 2 watts swinging to 12 and no the limiter is not clipped, nor do I run any extra power behind the radio. (I might as well be running 1 watt) As well, I’m using a stock Mic. I’ve tried to reason with these people and they just won’t listen or have anything to do with me what so ever. I tried to let them let me get some filters for the TV and the phones too, but they won’t listen. The Police DEPT said the FCC gave then full control to police the cb band and I’m to stop operating my equipment un till something can be resolved. Said for me to contact the FCC because the people might have a leaking cable going to their TV. Please........They just said that they do the enforcing. I asked for them to contact the cable CO and have them come out and inspect it. They told me to just contact the FCC and have them contact the cable company to check it out. Jeez O Peat.....I give up. I’ve been operating now at this location for 11 years with no problems and now this crap ever time I turn around. I even offered to have the officer come in and inspect my equipment, he said no that’s ok, just shut it down. This is a joke if I ever heard one. Unreal. What else can a guy do when he’s doing everything by the book and then some, or as far as I can tell? I’ve been studding for my ham ticket for a month or so now and ready to take it. Think it’s time to let the CB’s go! |
ncrebel
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 9:42 am: |
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Is it only one complainer???If it is I'd be willing to bet somethings screwed up with their
TV coax or whatever.Heck,I have my A99 up in the air about 25-30 foot away from our TV antenna thats also up in the air.The only time I came in over the TV that I know of is when I'd switch my amp on and my amp's shot now so go figure.A 2 watt
dead key and a 12 watt swing is not going to get
in their mess unless they're using rabbit ear
antenna or they have a messed up coax.How high
the antenna is could be a factor but if it's up high enough it shouldn't effect anything UNLESS
the neighbor's bad coax. |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:27 am: |
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1. Run groundrods for their cablebox and t.v.
2. your antenna should have more than 1 ground rod.
3. Tell your neighbor to pound rock salt up his rear.
4. All electronics must accept interferince. Read it its on the back of his t.v. and cablebox.
5. The police cant do anything because its out of their jurisdiction...... period..........
7. And that cop is on crack and he has no idea what he is talking about!!!!!!! Bottom line!!! Like I said its out of their jurisdiction. That cop is lying. Call his superiour officer.
8. Call the police station and say your neighbor is all over my t.v. and phone. What will you do?
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO!!! LAUGH AT YOU!!!!!!!!
9. I have several freinds in law enforcement and he is full of it!
10. You tell that officer to show you the peice of paper that fcc signed over to the police!!!
11. Keep operating your station!!!!!!!!!!
12. Call your cable company and tell them to check the line. They have to fix it!!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:58 am: |
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i agree there is no way a 4 watt radio is going to reck all that havic unless they have a problem
as for the police that is bull.... the FCC is the ONLY agency that can control your radio GO READ THE LAW ..... they have limited power to stop ILEGUAL cb stations go to www.arrl.org and inquire as to the extent of this power if you have ant doubt. If the cops come in and shut you down they MUST have a local ord. past in that city/county go today and get a coppy of it or they are outside that limited rules they are allowed to do this by.... im going over to the arrl wab site to see if i can get a copy for you
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bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 12:10 pm: |
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start with this ( i hope it works )
HAM RADIO EXCLUDED FROM CB ENFORCEMENT BILL
this is the orignal bill
- Forummaster Note : Bruce I cleaned it up a little and your link should work now.
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bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 12:18 pm: |
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more ammo
ARLB033: Local CB enforcement bill passes Senate
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bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 1:44 pm: |
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thanks forummaster there is no reason for any law enforcement person to become involved it a case like this this law is very clear if your using your cb set within the law you are not covered by this bill
bruce
radio-doctor@juno.com |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 3:36 pm: |
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That cop is plainly exercising his enforcment of laws he has no control over. He is what I call a loser cop. I know many law enforcement officers and some of them being cbers. |
jyd
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 5:54 pm: |
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you can get a peace disturbance ticket |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 6:07 pm: |
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taz when your in lawinforcement you know never to go over the line my guess is the town has a nusence law and the cop heard about the FCC allowing local controls ....so he put them together and sumized that they now had the power.... our dept has heard.... some officers have come to me and asked... and ive told them ..... also to check with leagual since im not in inforcement and im not a lawyer. Paleface needs to get
1) A copy of the ordence passed BY HIS TOWN about electronic nusence problems.
2) a copy of a directive to the officers of that deptment about this law and the ordence as wrote to inforce the FCC ruleing.
I think you will find when this butt head next door finds the police are powerless he will become much more reasonble. |
Tech181
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 6:22 pm: |
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Paleface,
Try this. Ask your neighbor with the problem if they would be willing to let you check their equipment. By this I mean, explain to them the problem, the causes of the problem and a possible solution. Check their cable, connections, grounds, etc.
Offer to purchase them new 75 Ohm TV cable and connectors (cost is almost nothing.) Also, as a good will motion, buy them a High Pass filter for them to use inline with their cable.
If you are running a legal station like you say you are, and I believe you, there's not much more responsibility you can take.
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
Paleface
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 7:12 pm: |
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Well it sounds like I'm not all in the wrong after all from what you all have said and from what I've read. Sounds like I need to go have a visit with the chief of police and read for my self just what it is that they seem to think they can govern over me and point out any errors for them. From what I've read from the links giving here, it is they(the police)that's in the wrong for shutting me down. Not only that, they wouldn't even bother to inspect my equipment before doing so. I think I'll call the FCC as well and tell them about what's going on too. Might get lucky and they might bite them in the butt enough to get them to go pester some one else and leave us legal boys alone like it states to do! |
Paleface
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 9:51 pm: |
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Bruce, Great Idea on getting the copies. I’m going to do that. That sounds like a plan to me.
I don’t know what he thinks he can do and why. But I do know that the cop was very rude and acted like I was the bad guy with out even giving me a chance. Sad, but true!
Tech181, Thanks for the idea. I need to figure something out for sure no doubt. If I can get these people to work with me at all. At the time, I haven’t talked on my radio at all. To be honest I took it all down and disconnected it all for the time being I was just to upset when told to shut down with out even them checking to see for them selves if I was in the wrong. I’ll do my best to get them to let me try to work with them to get this fixed. But like I said before, they don't want to cooperate with me, but I will continue to try! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:56 pm: |
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you need to get EVERYTHING in writing you need a statment that the officer is " SHUTING YOU DOWN " get his name badge number dont be nasty tell them up frount you want ths facts from them and if they still fell they have the right look at what i have told you. As a CB user you DO have rights . Now e-mail me if all else fails and you want to contact the FCC and off the board ill give you a address at that point you need to appel to them directly |
Paleface
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 9:00 pm: |
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Hey All, Well the FCC got back to me and Here is their reply. I printed this as well as all the other info they sent me and took it all down to the local police DEPT and went to work explaining the situation to them. They said they was sorry and for me to have a good day..LOL
Subject: Re: Am I in the wrong here? CB-TV-POLICE
From: "FCCTSR27"
Date: Wed, April 3, 2002 8:29 am
To:
Good morning,
Thank you for your inquiry,
If you are in compliance with the FCC rules and regulations for the operation of
your radio, then legally, there is no violation and you would be fully entitled to
operate your radio. The neighbors have to do their part in eliminating their own
interference problems by getting their equipment filtered properly. Many people
assume that since they are receiving interference, the person causing it is in the
wrong. Which as you know is not always the case.
I'm separately e-mailing interference information to you that may help provide some
guidance for the neighbor. If you continue to have a problem with the neighbor,
tell them to call us at the FCC - - - 1-888-225-5322. I've even sent the rules and
regs for CB operation so you'll have it to verify you're in compliance if needed.
By the way, you don't need to contact us about a possible leak in the cable line
going to your neighbors - - - -that's for the neighbor to contact the cable company
and then have the company resolve the problem from their end.
The FCC does NOT provide on-the-scene assistance for interference problems. Refer
to the interference information for further information and guidance.
Thank you,
FCC, CGB, Gettysburg PA |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 11:24 pm: |
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Basically there is a "BIG LOOP IN THE LAW"
NO ONE DOES ANYTHING> |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 12:42 am: |
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Taz what THEY said is IF your (hear we go again ) LEAGUAL no one can stop you from useing your station BUT dont count on them to come to your aid. Sometimes i wonder what are we paying them for. You know i remember a book like this catch 22 ?? |
Taz
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 2:35 am: |
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lol bruce. |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 10:24 am: |
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Paleface,
seems you did it all by the book and glad you've come out victorious. Nice to know there are laws to protect OUR rights as well. Being your neighbors were such hardasses to you, I don't think I would ever again offer to buy them filters or help them unless they get real nice. You've tried and tried already. A bit too late for them to want your help now. Do you have any any website references that spell out the info they sent you? Being I'm going through a TVI problem with my neighbors now, I'm being real friendly but would like to "load my guns" now and beef up on the rights of all parties involved. |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 2:11 pm: |
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whats funny id i personally know of a few cops that have ranned export radios and linears in their cruisers!!!! So that cop deal is a bunch of hooey IMHO.. |
Paleface
| | Posted on Saturday, April 06, 2002 - 6:54 pm: |
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Alsworld, here is the stuff they sent me to give to the police and neighbors.
Subject: Re: Am I in the wrong here? CB-TV-POLICE
From: "FCCTSR27" FCCTSR27@fcc.gov
To: chris@alloutdoorschat.com
Date: Wed, April 3, 2002 8:29 am
Good morning,
Thank you for your inquiry,
If you are in compliance with the FCC rules and regulations for the operation of your radio, then legally, there is no violation and you would be fully entitled to operate your radio. The neighbors have to do their part in eliminating their own interference problems by getting their equipment filtered properly. Many people assume that since they are receiving interference, the person causing it is in the wrong. Which as you know is not always the case.
I'm separately e-mailing interference information to you that may help provide some guidance for the neighbor. If you continue to have a problem with the neighbor, tell them to call us at the FCC - - - 1-888-225-5322. I've even sent the rules and regs for CB operation so you'll have it to verify you're in compliance if needed.
By the way, you don't need to contact us about a possible leak in the cable line going to your neighbors - - - -that's for the neighbor to contact the cable company and then have the company resolve the problem from their end.
The FCC does NOT provide on-the-scene assistance for interference problems. Refer to the interference information for further information and guidance.
Thank you,
FCC, CGB, Gettysburg PA
Reference:TSR27, ID# 02411653
The following is the information you requested from the FCC Consumer Center.
Thank you for your inquiry.
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FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554
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CITIZENS BAND (CB) RADIO SERVICE POWER AMPLIFIERS
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Subpart D - Rule 95.411 (CB Rule 11) (a) You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to your certificated CB transmitter in any way: (1) External radio frequency (RF) power amplifiers (sometimes called linears or linear amplifiers); or (2) Any other devices which, when used with a radio trans- mitter as a signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal. (b) There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power amplifier voids your authority to operate the station. (c) The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external RF power amplifier if - (1) It is in your possession or on your premises; and (2) There is other evidence that you have operated your CB station with more power than allowed by CB Rule 95.410. (d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply if you hold a license in another radio service which allows you to operate an external RF power amplifier.
ANTENNAS
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Subpart D - Rule 95.408 (CB Rule 8) (b) If your antenna is mounted on a hand-held portable unit, none of the following limitations apply. (c) If your antenna is installed at a fixed location, it (whether receiving, transmitting, or both) must comply with either one of the following: (1) The highest point must not be more than 6.10 meters (20 ft) higher than the highest point of the building or tree on which it is mounted; or (2) The highest point must not be more than 18.3 meters (60 ft) above the ground. (d) If your CB station is located near an airport, and if your antenna structure is more than 6.1 meters (20 feet) high, you may have to obey additional restrictions. The highest point of yhour antenna must not exceed one meter above the airport elevation for every hundred meters of distance from the nearest point of the nearest airport runway. (Consult Part 17 of the FCC's Rules for more information.)
POWER
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Subpart D - Rule 95.410 (CB Rule 10) (a) Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the following values under any condition: AM - 4 watts (carrier power) SSB - 12 watts (peak envelope power) (b) If more information is needed about the power rule, see the technical rules in subpart E of part 95. (c) Use of a transmitter which has carrier or peak envelope power in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the station.
IDENTIFICATION
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Subpart D - Rule 95.417 (CB Rule 17) (a) You need not identify your CB communications. (b) You are encouraged to identify your CB communications by any of the following means: 1) Previously assigned CB call sign; 2) K prefix follwed by operator initials and residence zip code; 3) Name; or 4) Organizational description including name and any applicable operator unit number. (c) You are encouraged to use your "handle" only in conjunction with the methods of identification listed in paragraph (b).
CHANNEL USAGE
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Subpart D - Rule 95.407 (CB Rule 7) (a) Your CB station may transmit only on channels 1 thru 40. (b) Channel 9 may be used only for emergency communications or for traveler assistance. (c) You must, at all time and on all channels, give priority to emergency communications messages concerning the immediate safety of life or the immediate protection of property. (d) You may use any channel for emergency communications or for traveler assistance. (e) You must share each channel with other users. (f) The FCC will not assign any channel for the private or exclusive use of any particular CB station or group of stations. (g) The FCC will not assign any channel for the private or exclusive use of CB stations transmitting single sideband or AM.
CB CHANNELS
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Subpart D - Rule 95.407 (CB Rule 7) Your CB station may transmit only on the following channels (frequencies): 1 26.965 2 26.975 3 26.985 4 26.005 5 26.015 6 26.025 7 26.035 8 26.055 9 26.065 10 26.075 11 26.085 12 26.105 13 26.115 14 27.125 15 27.135 16 27.155 17 27.165 18 27.175 19 27.185 20 27.205 21 27.215 22 27.225 23 27.255 24 27.235 25 27.245 26 27.265 27 27.275 28 27.285 29 27.295 30 27.30531 27.315 32 27.325 33 27.335 34 27.345 35 27.35536 27.365 37 27.375 38 27.385 39 27.395 40 27.405
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FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 ______________________
Resolving interference to cable channels is not within the jurisdiction of the Commission. Please contact your local cable service provider for assistance in resolving any interference or reception problems.
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The following is the information you requested from the FCC Consumer
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Telephone Interference
Background
If you can hear a radio station or static on your telephone, you may have an
interference problem. Interference occurs when your telephone fails to "block
out" nearby radio communications.
All telephones contain electronic components that are sensitive to radio frequencies, but cordless telephones are particularly susceptible because they use radio transmitters/receivers. Cordless telephones are also highly sensitive to electrical noise, radio interference, and the communications of other nearby cordless phones. Cordless phones with more features like messaging, redial and intercom, contain more electronic components; this creates a greater potential for outside interference.
If your telephone was not equipped with interference protection when it was
manufactured then it may react to nearby radio communications. For example, you could hear the transmission of a local radio station through your telephone's handset. This is not necessarily a sign that the interference is intentional or that the interfering radio transmitter is illegal but that your equipment
has no, or inadequate, protection.
How to Determine the Source of an Interference Problem
If you have several telephones or accessories like answering machines or caller ID, unplug all of them before you begin to determine the source of the inter-ference. Then, plug each phone unit back into one of your wall jacks one at a time. Listen for the interference. If you hear interference through only one telephone, the problem is in that phone. Contact the manufacturer of that phone for help. Alternatively, simply stop using the phone and replace it with a radio-proof model, or install a radio filter.
(NOTE: Only a very small percentage of interference problems occur in outside telephone lines. Your local telephone company can check for this type of problem.)
It is important that you follow through and contact the manufacturer of your phone if you are having an interference problem. The company needs to know if you are unhappy about your phone's failure to block out radio communications.
Also, the manufacturer knows the designs of its telephones and may be able to suggest a solution for your specific phone.
What You Can Do About Interference
Interference problems begin at the factory when a telephone is built. Send your complaint to the manufacturer who built your telephone. You can also stop interference by using a specially designed "radio-proof" telephone, available by mail order. The Western Electric/ATT Desk Model is available from Pro Distributors of Lubbock, Texas; and the TPXL-D Desk Model is available
from TCE Laboratories, Inc. of Canyon Lake, Texas. A recent FCC study found that these telephones, which have built-in interference protection, performed as the manufacturers claimed and in virtually all cases, they eliminated the interference.
Interference problems in telephones can also be stopped or greatly reduced with a radio filter. You can install this filter at the back of the telephone, on the line cord, and/or at the telephone wall jack. Radio filters are available
at local phone product stores and by mail order.
Summary
The FCC strongly encourages manufacturers to include interference protection in their telephones as a benefit to consumers. The telephone manufacturing industry has developed voluntary standards for interference protection. Please contact your telephone manufacturer for further information.
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KG4RYT
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 8:45 am: |
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IF YOU ARE RUNNING LEGAL TRANSCEIVERS AND NO MORE THAN A FOUR WATT CARRIER YOU SHOUD BE OKAY. THE PROBLEM IS WITH THEIR TV OR COAX. I RUN SOME HIGH POWER HAM RADIOS IN MY HOME AND HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH MY TV OR MY NEIGHBORS. HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT
JIM
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