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Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 12:58 am: | 
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Helped in part by falling electronic prices, America went through a Citizen's Band fad in the mid to late 1970s, with millions buying hand-held and car-mounted two way radios. Such large numbers of people applied for C.B. permits that the F.C.C. could not keep up with the flood of paperwork and consequently dropped all operator license requirements. With no license required and no enforcement of C.B. regulations since 1999 signed John Glen , Citizens Band ceased being a good way to communicate. Although some truck drivers still use it for highway communications, disturbed people, often shouting obscenities for minutes at a time, now monopolize the C.B. band. But the large number of users showed demand for cellular telephones would be very high. So it was that the first commercial cellular systems were from the beginning a success
Michael Powell FCC
John Glenn FCC
Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street SW
Washington, DC 20554
Interesting |
RCI2990
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 10:27 am: |
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and sadly, very very true about the decline in the quality of CB being useful...
Nothing worse than getting on the air and hearing four letter words blasting the channles at all hours of the night! |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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taz i hope your not that person shouting obscenities.... we know your disturbed....just kidding |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 1:39 pm: |
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Haha, In the past people have got the best of me, then i crank up the power (400) and hook up an old radio with a clipped limiter and 160% modulation and fly away!!!!!!!! Then my big fat neighbor comes over and has a problem with me. I am going to get a restraining order on him. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 8:13 pm: |
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like a 9 MM ???? restraining order |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 9:17 pm: |
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no a leagel restraining order |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 10:34 pm: |
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TAZ does it by the LAW? Your slipping in your old age |
Taz
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 11:41 pm: |
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haha, i hope you know my age! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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ill bet in your early 30's |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 9:30 pm: |
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Hahaha, I am 14 bruce, remember? I think you are slipping in your old age! |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:07 pm: |
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i was thinking of znut i knew he was at least that very good on 14 at 14 i was in my 1st year of electronics school and had my 1st ham license also i got my FCC 1st class comerical radiotelephone too at 14... now before someone goes off in new york we had vocational tech high schools and i went to one so when i graduated i had a 4 year deploma in electronice and a regents high schools deploma but because of the war at that time wound up in the us army and spent 2 years at the us army armor center at fort knox ky our outfit was a combat support / training operation all before i was 21... a long time ago |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 7:37 am: |
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Taz like most i got started very young i still enjoy building crystal radios and belong to the crystal radio society ( www.midnightscience.com ) just something about useing a razerblade and pencle lead to pick up local radio stations and hearing them crackling in 60 year old headphones that i find cool. By the time i was your age i had 8 years in as a radio buff, speaking of 14 i wonder except cb is a bussness band why you had to be 18 to get a cb license but no age limits on others including ham ... strange. Technolgy today is moving so fast that by the time you reach my age in 40 years if you say transistor you'll get the same looks as saying 78 RPM record to most 14 year olds today. In public safety ( police/sheriff work ) the amount of electronics going on the department cars and even being carried by our officers is amazing and growing every day. This department will spens MILLIONS each year in new toys most of which is intended to help enshure the safety of the man in the field
When i was your age a electronic school student J.F. Kennedy was killed and we watch in amazement as Lee Harvy Oswald was shot LIVE on tv .. its hard to fathom what 2042 will be like... ill bet others my age will tell you simular things too. Enjoy life it goes so fast..bruce |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 2:24 pm: |
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what will replace the transistor?
computer chips? |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 2:53 pm: |
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Taz in electronics school in 1963 a teacher told me " This is a transistor it is a cute toy and one day they will find a use for it" The US pattent ofice was supose to close because everything that could be invented had... that was beleved about 1900... good question you know we are not that far from machines building other machines... humm sounds like a old song " in the years 2525.. as for computer chips they are nothing but transistors in a small package....today we deal in 1:1000000 th of a inch and that is large im willing to bet in 40 years it wil be 10 TIMES as small a cb set in a watch ... dick tracy hello!!! |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 3:28 pm: |
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haha, saying breaker 19 on your watch! |
jyd
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 4:29 pm: |
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10///4,i want a watch with duel finals and a lot of swing,dont forget the loud audio. |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 4:52 pm: |
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YEAH WITH THE BUILT IN 100,000 WATT KICKER |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 7:47 pm: |
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taz your not too far off with putter effect technolgy allowing solid state devices to act as heat pumps it an't that far fetched just think your frige that your kids will use will not have pumps or gas just a controler a heat sink and a module 4 inches square and with care will out last them
bruce |
ncrebel
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 9:32 pm: |
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Actually a transistor in some applications would
be impracticle to replace.Cuz IC chips can take the place of LOTS of transistors and can sometime take up more space than just a regular transistor in some cases. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 9:55 pm: |
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i agree with todays technolgy but i have a engineering book from the 1920's and all frequencys above 10 meters were EXPERIMENTAL and they talked about VERY EXPERIMENTAL QUASI LIGHT WAVES AT 900 MHZ almost light!!!! hey makes me want to get out my galana and grow another crystal for my next set!
bruce |
Insider
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 1:49 pm: |
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Yeah, just like the statement made by I believe it was someone at IBM that the world will only need 6 computers in total. Take a look around your house and count how many of your "toys" use some form of computer technology. VCRs, Universal remotes, Digital Answering Machines, CD Players, Security Alarms, Stereo Receivers. Six computers? Yeah, that's just what you see when you first walk in the door.
Oh despite all these advances, there's nothing like listening to a 33 1/3 LP. Hmmm I remeber my first record player. It was one of those toy players in the laminated cardboard case: four gearings. 33 1/3, 45, 78, and Neutral. |
Mr_Rf
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 8:38 pm: |
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Yeah...year 2042...hmmm my crystal ball reveals,
Make my MMiC (that a IC circuit for the non-electronic fellows) a liquid cooled 300GHz Blue Jell with a impregnated reflector lens for visual QSO's and a low band, 27.405MHZ-ultra wideband-super modulated audio path employing DDS technology and a Mexican QRM filter with a Channel 6 notch. Oh, and let's not forget the linear amp detector with laser fired linear exterminator. (never have cared for those power hungry things anyway!). Ok, my wierd imagination is finished for now...but I'll be back. And yes, thats a promise!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 9:07 pm: |
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insider i remember the carbord recordplayer well still got a pile of records |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:35 pm: |
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you know mr rf ive been building things with mar-6's for 20 years and ill bet by 2042 the mmic will look like a 811 next to a SMT transistor gosh send me (2) ch 6 notches toss in a tex-mex filter and let me recharge my laser so we can hook up on the new 40,000 cb MMwave cb band at that scary low frequency of 96 GHZ ( now that the military dosnt use rockets any more)... man if your wierd im right with you .... over and out !! |
Brainbuster
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:27 pm: |
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By that time you wom't need an external device all you will have to do is think what you want to say and the other person will hear you(telepathy)
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Tech181
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:58 pm: |
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Mexican QRM filter. LOL! Anyone know where I cand find one of those today?
Steve
Tech181
Tech181@copperelectronics.com |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 3:42 pm: |
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better yet 181 when will copper stock them !!! |
152
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 2:16 pm: |
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a transistor is a computer chip! |
Taz
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 3:46 pm: |
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almost but not exactly the same |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:54 pm: |
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both.... a computer chip is a transistor... lots of them..... enought transistors can be used as a computer chip! |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:06 am: |
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thats my point bruce |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 2:05 pm: |
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Remember the CBer who the cops were going to close down well this is from the MAN.
Dear Mr. Mallon,
Thank you for contacting the FCC regarding interference to home electronic equipment.
Home electronic equipment is authorized under Part 15 of Title 47, Code of Federal Regulations. Part 15 equipment is not protected from interference caused by other transmissions such as Ham and CB radios. Ham and CB operators who are not in violation of any FCC rules may continue to operate their stations even if they cause interference to someone's home electronic equipment.
Please refer to our web page at http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/interference.html, specifically the last paragraph under the heading " Defining the Source - Transmitter Interference", as well as the final paragraph on this web page. We recommend the consumer contact the manufacturer of their equipment, see Rule Section 15.17 which discusses the susceptibility to interference.
Also note that most electronic stores carry filters that can be installed on the home electronic equipment to help block out the unwanted signals.
You may view Part 15 of our rules at http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html. At this site, click on part "15 Radio Frequency Devices".
We hope we have provided sufficient information to address your concerns.
Regards,
FCC-GCC59
>>> 03/24/02 09:33PM >>>
To FCC infomation
What i would like to know is does the TV set owner / telephone owner
have the responsubilty to correct interferance from a HAM / CB station
who is complying with all FCC standards... NO ILEGUAL EQUIPMENT. This
question pops up on fourms all the time could you give me any FCC
ruleings to back up what ever would be the standard FCC posision if you
will i will post it for others to read
Thanks
Bruce Mallon
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Taz
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 2:58 pm: |
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Excellent..... |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 5:52 pm: |
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what this said is if your tv is getting blasted too bad. thats it fokes !!!!
Sec. 15.17 Susceptibility to interference.
(a) Parties responsible for equipment compliance are advised to consider the proximity and the high power of non-Government licensed
radio stations, such as broadcast, amateur, land mobile, and non-geostationary mobile satellite feeder link earth stations, and of U.S.
Government radio stations, which could include high-powered radar systems, when choosing operating frequencies during the design of their
equipment so as to reduce the susceptibility for receiving harmful interference. Information on non-Government use of the spectrum can be
obtained by consulting the Table of Frequency Allocations in Sec. 2.106
of this chapter.
(b) Information on U.S. Government operations can be obtained by contacting: Director, Spectrum Plans and Policy, National Telecommunications and Information Administration, Department of
Commerce, Room 4096, Washington, DC 20230.
[54 FR 17714, Apr. 25, 1989, as amended at 62 FR 4655, Jan. 31, 1997; 63
FR 40835, July 31, 1998] |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 6:33 pm: |
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like I said before, NO ONE HANDLES THE CB ANYMORE
LMAO Its pretty funny. Remember I told that guy to slam rock salt up his rear? |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 8:22 pm: |
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Not true taz if you are illegual your on your own and if your sued you may not win because to be covered under FCC rules like these you must be leagual otherwise you take you take your chances |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 9:27 pm: |
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more like rabbit ears |
Taz
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 10:13 pm: |
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all electronics must accept interference bruce |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 12:36 am: |
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Taz Part 15 only applys to leagual stations not if you are not leagul if you are not leagual you have no protection under FCC rules this is why they past that law about local controls.... and alot of towns are passing the required ord. Again if they catch you they can shut you down if you are leagual and rase a big stink to the fcc sumitt all documents and ask for a appel the commision will act if you E-mail rely ( the inforcer) you will get a response but you must be right now if your running heat your ONLY means of getting back on the is to sue them and call in the fcc not a good move if your running a export rig. Bottom line if you eat up others tv sets it could get costly i got sued in the early 70's over my 6 meter station the guy went so far as to cut down one of my antennas.... i had him arrested still even with his actions i still had to go to civil court and defend myself against his crap.... and it happened hear in florida in a big way to gridly W4GJO just south of me in 1968. it cost him 50,000 bucks hams all over the world sent money to help him .... this time the tv owner had a tower with a BIG tv preamp the fcc told him to forget it that the ham was in the right he still dragged gid through the court for years asking 1,000,000 in damages he died and the case was droped but grid was out THOUSANDS of dollars. people are sue happy and if you stick out your neck you could lose you head now i know your still under age but 18 comes fast.
bruce |
Highlander1588
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Hmmmmmmm,,I wonder if RCI will start putting Pentium 4`s in place of PLL`s,,,LOL. My Brother who is 41 now has been in the computer industry since he was 16 and has told me of all the new innovations going on in the world. I am just waiting for it to bleed over into CB Radio, after all the PLL is meerely a crude proccessor and if they really get into it they will make big changes.Like the above posts they are downsizing everything electronic, so they could computerize the radio and still use the same size case and have 3-4 times the components in them.Plus with the advent of that kind of science they could split frequency into 1/100ths or even 1/1000ths and expand coverage, but our wonderful friends at the FCC will have to throw a monkey wrench into it and drag it out for a few years before it comes open to the market.Just like alot of the ham guys hooking their rigs up to their home PC`s, that is just the beginning. |
bruce
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my ft-840 which is a simple radio will split a cb ch into 1000 parts and will interconnect with a cp for pc control.... im not shure if the alinco dx-70 will. PC control of ham radios is common place both thoes radios will interface with automatic antenna tunners... probley the only reason this is not done to CB sets is cost. As for type acceptance as long as you could not use it to obtain extra channles or modes it would fly
Ive wondered for years why recive only expanded coverage for cb sets was not routeenly done again cost i dont think the fcc would care if no transmitt could be had. Even the small 2 meter handhelds can be programed by computer and trust me my last one NEEDED to be what a pain. |
Taz
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Yes alot of yeasu's and icoms and alincos can do that bruce. Its pretty cool.
Hey highlander did you know that intel is coming out with a 20ghz thats right 20ghz processor??
thay havent given a date yet though |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 7:02 pm: |
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Taz when i was your age i went to the new york worlds fair in flushing ( 1963) they had a computer in a building it took up the WHOLE building but it could play TIC-TAC-TOE WOW I thought amazing and it only takes a square city block to do this! Nothing suprizes me when it comes to computers.... hey copper when are you going to carry that 10,000 watt cb watch radio ?? |
Taz
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 8:31 pm: |
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I printed the thing above about part 15:
Thank you for contacting the FCC regarding interference to home electronic equipment.
Home electronic equipment is authorized under Part 15 of Title 47, Code of Federal Regulations. Part 15 equipment is not protected from interference caused by other transmissions such as Ham and CB radios. Ham and CB operators who are not in violation of any FCC rules may continue to operate their stations even if they cause interference to someone's home electronic equipment.
Please refer to our web page at http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/interference.html, specifically the last paragraph under the heading " Defining the Source - Transmitter Interference", as well as the final paragraph on this web page. We recommend the consumer contact the manufacturer of their equipment, see Rule Section 15.17 which discusses the susceptibility to interference.
Also note that most electronic stores carry filters that can be installed on the home electronic equipment to help block out the unwanted signals.
You may view Part 15 of our rules at http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html. At this site, click on part "15 Radio Frequency Devices".
We hope we have provided sufficient information to address your concerns.
Regards,
FCC-GCC59
>>> 03/24/02 09:33PM >>>
To FCC infomation
Turned on the amp and keyed up talking to my friend so my neighboy would call. Well he called but I didnt ansewr then I took it over and knocked on his door trying to be civil with him but no answer. I came back home talke don it some more then went over there again and he said "GET THE F**K OFF OF MY PROPERTY" so I then tryed to hand it to him and I said here take this he said, " NO F**K YOU" then i kept saying here take this and he says "ALRIGHT B***H". Then he said, "GET THE F**K OFF OF MY PROPERTY AGAIN" then slammed the door in my face. Once he slammed it I said then dont come on mine again. I tried to be civil with him and go and talk with him but he obviously didnt care. The amp is gone from the house, I hid it. My radio deadkeys 4 watts and is at perfect legal wattage and I still bleed on him. I turned the modulation down to where even with the super side kick its only peaking 80 percent witha loud whistle. I installed a low pass filter, I got it from a friend just to say I spent money on it but i am just borrowing it. Grounded all my ewuipment with 8 guage wire and 8 foot ground rods. 1.4 swr cant make him happy. I bet he is really pissed that he is reading that now that I gave it to him. And more letters to come!
Taz
P.S. thats how they need to be delt with. Next is a restraining order and I cam calling radies animal control and his dogs are gone, they bark all day and barking is illegal at all times of the day. He has 4 cars in his back yard and you can have a maximum of one and it must be covered. He added onto his house without the proper license. I am going to check criminal records too. He deals drugs, I know cause he offered them to my dad. This sucker is going down, and his days are numbered. And did I mention he has theatened to cut my coax too? His dogs arent registered. " HE SWEARS INFRONT OF HIS 2 YEAR OLD SON LIKE CRAZY"
SO EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS A TVI PROBLEM TRY TO BE CIVIL, BUT IF HE CANT (YOU TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY THEY WANT TO BE TREATED) GIVE HIM THAT PAPER, ADJUST YOUR EQUIPMENT AND LOSE THE AMP, INVITE HIM IN SHOW HIM ON THE METER AND SEND HIM ON HIS WAY WITH THE PART 15 REGULATIONS.
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Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 1:33 am: |
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Haha, then he brings his little buddy private investagator over and he says if i blow up his tv i will have to pay for criminal damages. WRONG!!!
Part 15 in conjunction with the sticker on the back of his t.v. says i dont! the t.v. says it must accept all and any interference and the law above says i can keep running my station cause its all leagel. haha. And he said its arizona state law but the state dosent have anything to do with electronic interference! He cant touch me. Ha. I mean the privat investigator sayed you cant have an antenna over 30 feet long! what a loser! I WENT TO ALL THE ATHORITY WEB SITES AND TURNED HIM IN FOR ALL THAT ABOVE AND MORE!!!!! HES TOAST. AND THE RESTRANING ORDER IS NEXT! HE SAID THEY CAN FIND ME WITH A FREQUENCY LOCATER. HAHA. The private investigator said i tear up his phone a mile and a half away! its not possible! my imax dosent have the db gain to do it and even with 350 watts its still not possible! Maybe with a 20 element beam pointed at him with a kilowatt, then maybe.
I ASK THIS TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS, IS THAT POSSIBLE TO TEAR SOMONES PHONE UP A MILE AWAY? ACCORDING TO MY MATH WITH THE RF PROPAGATION PROGRAM ITS NOT! Hes a loser!
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bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:59 am: |
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Taz since you started on this forum MY phone dont work right either hummm |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 12:24 pm: |
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Hey taz
according to my hand book try this
pl = 96.6 + 20((log10)(.27))+((20 log10)(15) )
this is for 27 mhz and 1.5 miles
pl=path loss db
now loss in db / signal strengh
-3db 1/2 signal strengh
-6db 1/4
-10db 1/10 mult of 10 db devide by 10
example if your signal is down 60 db that is a 1,000,000 : 1 decrease in signal i dont think even at 1/2 mile you could run enough power to do the kinda damage he is talking about
try running the numbers ... also someone may have a shorter way of doing this...
bruce |
Alsworld
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 1:40 pm: |
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Heck, my TVI problem ain't nothin. Still working it but it only affected the neighbors when running power so I stopped for now until it's fixed up. Then will try it and work with them. Gosh, guess I'm lucky. I don't know the specifics Taz but I affected no telephones luckily. |
Taz
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 9:59 pm: |
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Thats good.
IF HE HAS RABBIT EARS THEN ITS JUNK, DONT BOTHER FIXING IT! |
NCUNIT33
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 1:31 pm: |
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I STILL ENJOY MY CB RADIO, AND WE HAVE ALOT OF GREAT GUYS IN THE EDEN NC AREA. WE MONITOR CHANNEL 23 27.255 AM AND STILL HELP ONE ANOTHER AND ENJOY TALKING. |
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