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joseph shmoe
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 6:45 am: | 
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Finally no more noise , decent range , no antenna hight limit. Exellent ! The frequencies are 151.820 151.880 151.940 154.570 151.600 !!!!! |
Taz
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 7:28 pm: |
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cb channels?
those arent cb channels my friend!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 10:27 pm: |
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that is MURS it is a non licensed radio like cb and from what ive seen work well.... like a long range FRS I beleve your alowed 2 watts i also beleve there are few restrictions on antennas so joe your kinda right.... so is taz |
ncrebel
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 10:45 pm: |
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Who sells the radios??Who makes them?They might
take a while to get practicle too because everybody talks on am right now.It'll catch on
though I think.Probally be the truckers that really start to use them first.By the way is that ALL the channels? |
FMCBGUY
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:02 pm: |
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I have a MuRS setup here and range is very good and dont foget that MURS is FM |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:06 pm: |
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yes i beleve there are 5 ch and radio shack has one for sale also they are FM not AM and NO skip at 150 mhz |
Znut
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:07 pm: |
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Some derelict "color dot" freq's. No more than 2w ERP. A 2 watt handheld has about .5 watts ERP. You should ALWAYS make sure the frequency is not being used at the time by a legitimate business, since it is there priveledge. Those freq's are still considered a 'Multi - User service', licensed users have a precedence. |
Chris
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 9:07 pm: |
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I believe those have been open channels for a while now. I was thinking 154.600 was on the list too. the companies I heard using them would rarely have a license. If your within range of the other person I would rather talk there than cb. Even when we go on road trips with other people we use cheap little frs radios to stay in touch. great for close range so you don't have to hear lots of garbage. |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 10:41 pm: |
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does ANYONE realy beleve people get licensed for that band???.. i dont even by that one not for a few radios |
Ohiobiker
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 8:25 am: |
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Question of the day?
Here a hypathetical question: say a person owned two of the MOTOROLA P-10 RADIOS SET FOR 154.570...and aquired the nessacary part to run an 2meter antenna on the outside of their car/truck/tractor tuned specificly for that freq...would the range of transmitting then increase?...also would it not be possible then to say add a few watts say about 25-40watts to it thru a external 2meter-amp and say gain approx a range of 25-40 miles? I have heard that it might be possible. I think this would make for an awesome set up. I am concidering a similar set up for a local dairy farmer...Who only needs to be in contact with a few hired hands in a small farming comunity. But most cover approx 600 acres of land, YES I under stand "line of sight" comes into plays here but wouldn't the amp allow you to "SEE" father? Hmmmm, the possibiltys? thanks for the input here...and hope my hypathetical question dosen't create any FM Power Stations..........~OHIOBIKER~ |
ncrebel
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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Well,if the 2 meters have amps and they're line of site then it must work then.Power helps. |
bruce
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:45 pm: |
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like i said i dont think any one cares about MURS CB or much else unless you cause a problem ..and yes a 2 meter amp will work ill bet there are lots of " high power" MURS stations from my years on 2 meters 2 watts is good for 3-5 miles over flat land and 100 watts is good for 10-15 car to car and much father to a good base |
ss8541
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 5:29 pm: |
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go to your local motorola dealer and tell them that you need the antenna port test adapter for the p10. they will probably have to order it since the only ones that they should have are the ones they use for servicing the radios. it will have a bnc connector on it, so you will need a bnc on your coax to the antenna.
it would be cheaper to buy icom 2100's (2meter radios) for about $170, remove a diode (and a few other things i can't remember right now) and have 55w than to buy the adapter for the p10 and an external amp. that adapter isn't cheap. i know, i am a former tech for a motorola dealer. anything made with the batwings on it isn't cheap.
the 2100 is user programmable compared to the p10 being xtal controlled (if memory serves me right). there was a p10 and sp10 one was xtal controlled and one was pll but had a bank of preset intermediate freqs that were user selected. i can't remember which was which right now.
and for power, bruce is pretty much right. the whole time i worked for that dealer, no one from the fcc ever came to any of the 5 shops in that company to inspect radios/rptrs/etc. and evidently they never went to any of the customer locations as i would peak the crap out of all the ht radios that i worked on (fcc limit is 4w vhf and 5w uhf). if they would have inspected, i'm sure i would have heard about it. |
Rich
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 8:14 pm: |
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I bought two hand helds-BTX-127's one 19-1210 mobile. (Radio Shack) VHF Business Band Transceivers. and one Yaesu 1500M A couple of friends told me they hang out on 151.880 and another freq. The Yaesu cost $150 and can get those freqs and more. Ps Hi Richard Rich |
Phineas
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 3:01 pm: |
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By the way, there is no skip, but there is tropospheric ducting. The other night I worked a station 400 miles away on 2 meter FM. Inversion layer required. Also, with the right Yagi, you can get alot of gain out of 2 watts.
Phineas |
Paleface
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 3:20 am: |
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I spoke with a FCC officer yesterday about the (MURS) being non-license to insure I could operate the radio with out getting into trouble just to be on the safe side. Our sheriff office uses one of the channels 154.570 and 154.600 is used by the collage here. Still leaves three un-used that I have been monitoring now for several days. I was told that it wasn’t finalized as of yet by the FCC. Boy Am I confused. Can some one clear this up for me? Looks like it started around 11-13-2000. From what all I’ve found on the NET about it and the sites that sells the radios, it shows to be a non license now. I checked the FCC web page and looks like to me that it is as well. Check out these links:
Frequently Asked Questions about
the Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)
http://www.provide.net/~prsg/murs_faq.htm#Q6
FCC Rules Implementing
the Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS)
http://www.provide.net/~prsg/mursrule.htm |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 9:23 am: |
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What happend is motorola wanted this MURS stopped so they complained to the FCC last i heard MURS was still on unless something has happened in the last 30 days it is ok to go use it.... now there are several bills to make changes but none have passed.... yet..... interesting im going to go check too. |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 9:42 am: |
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I haven't kept up with the MURS thing, but from reading those links, the service was effective Nov 13, 2000. The other is dealing with proposed rule changes from differnt manufactures and groups. Like most FCC rules, those are pretty vague as to output power. They've thrown in a new measurement, ERP, effective radiated power. What the hell is that about. If the radio is capable of 2 watts, and you add any antenna with gain, your ERP will exceed 2 watts. Also if you live on a mountain or a tall building, put up an outside antenna at any height, you've really increased your ERP. Are they gonna measure your ERP at your antenna, or go by the distant you are heard. It looks like they really intend for MURS to be just for the little handhelds, built in antenna, and low operating power from the little batteries. Even adding an external power supply would increase the ERP. Those rules will probably be like the 4 watts CB rule, not followed very well, however they will get lots more complaints as there are lots of licensed business operators near those frequencies. I bet there is someone out there right now trying to put an echo mike, roger beep, and Hi's and Low's on their MURS. haha |
Paleface
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 5:48 pm: |
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Ok here we go I just got this email. It looks like we are good to go!
I just got a reply by email from the FCC and here is what they said.
Subject: Re: (MURS) Multi- Use Radio Service!
From: "FCCTSR27" FCCTSR27@fcc.gov Date: Thu, March 28, 2002 10:12 am
To: chris@alloutdoorschat.com
Good morning Christopher, Thank you for your inquiry. Specific information on the MURS service is available at the following web site: "http://www.provide.net/~prsg/murs_faq.htm"
This web site provides all the facts and further guidance.
Thank you, FCC, GCC, Gettysburg PA |
bruce
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 8:26 pm: |
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hey scrap wana bet if it takes off big time motorola will have a roger beep and reverb on there radios....i cant wate ..... hahaha |
Scrapiron63
| | Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:42 pm: |
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Your probably right Bruce. Those little MURS handhelds are pretty high priced. If I wanted to use that band, I would get a used 2 meter mobile, most of them like the Alincos can be modified to extended coverage, they will TX from about 115 to 170 mehz. They have a low power setting for about 5 watts, so you wouldn't be way over power by the time it got to your antenna. |
bruce
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 8:55 am: |
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your right scrap with a range of not more that 20 miles little skip there would not be much chance anyone would be caught. Im willing to bet 50watts will not be uncommon in mobles CB should have been moved to 220 back in the 70's but the short sighted ARRL not sezing the oppertunty to create a quazy ham radio fought it till UPS bought the band and we lost it anyway. CB style radio needs a notch somewhere on VHF/UHF but at this time there is no room there. I can hear the crys now MILLIONS OF CBERS WITH MURS RADIOS BOOTLEGING ON 2 METERS...i dont think so.
bruce |
NCUNIT33
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 1:45 pm: |
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WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET YOUR TECH. AND YOU CAN RUN 2METERS. |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 3:10 pm: |
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some just dont want too |
another ham/cb guy
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 3:43 pm: |
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because some hams act like pompas know it all jurks that are more into being elitest's than being real people.(not cb people just approchable and easy to talk to) at least this is what i hear alot. and sometimes i agree depending on the ham. |
Againstregulationguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 6:16 pm: |
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WEEEE lets all go to 2meters (ham cb) and lets all say "breaker" wooowe I DONT THINK SO!!!! Another way for the fed to find out more about you!!! Fill out the forms and there you go he he he |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 10:26 pm: |
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I got to ask this of both of you ( another and against ) Do you have drivers licenses? how about a voters card o by the way did you pay your taxes.. lets not forget the tag on your car... see you lambast me and others who try to agrue with you and point out our elitest ways and how we are know it alls but you hide behind unexcessable e-mail and spout off about the "feds"
See this is why you dont get me i dont hide there are a number of people on this forum who e-mail me on a regular bases asking a wide range of questions which they would like a honest opinion about off this forum. Now as for knowing everything ... well i check but i dont beleve ive EVER made that claim.
bruce |
Phineas
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:20 am: |
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>because some hams act like pompas know it all >jurks that are more into being elitest's than >being real people.
I can vouch for that, but the good people I have met who are HAMS and helpful make up for the knuckle heads. The state of HAM radio is a reflection of who is in control of it.
>(not cb people just approchable and easy to talk >to) at least this is what i hear alot.
There are some knuckle head and low life CBers also. It just that you dont have to pass a technical test, or morse code , to talk on CB. Of course this will breed a different set of people.
>and sometimes i agree depending on the ham.
Operating a radio is just like any other hobby or interest. Rivalry are always existent. You always have the people that get into it and take it too seriously, you always have the people who are elite, and there is always a barrier.
I look at it like this. Citizen Bands like FRS, GMRS, MURS, CB/11meters, 49MHZ, 900 MHZ, etc are for people who just want to talk and not experiment. Anything past that should be regulated to a degree to ensure the safety of people around you. Amateur band are for people how want to experiment, build their own, etc.... In order to keep track of who is doing what so they can control the level of experimentation, and insure that other services are not interupted, they give amateur operator bands, and guidelines to work in. Do amateurs stay within this guide line, no, but there is far less that a person can do legally without a license.
To me, if a person on CB(at any freq) is bothering to build amps, Homebrew antennas, shoot skip in contests, Modify radios, etc.... than why not become a HAM. You dont have to give up using CB, but you will be able to do a lot more without being a target for the FCC to get you.
I will give you an example. AMPS. I can have a 1500 watt or more AMP in my car. I can build one, or modify one to talk in any band I wish, as long as I only officially use it on an Amateur band. I can take any Radio, and modify it broad band so I can talk on an Amateur band. If I go one step further, I can get Mars/Caps rated, then I can legally talk out of the normal bands including the Freeband. I can put up teh biggest antenna I want up to 200 feet high, with as much gain as I want, and as many as I want. That is just insane!!!
Again, why not just get the license if you are that serious about radio?
Why, cause even though people on the HAM and the CB side do the same activities, there is a barrier that keeps one set of people from finding out about the other on both sides. Who falt is that. Yours.
As far as KNOW IT ALLS.....I know a few CBers that fit into that catagory QUITE nicely. The only difference is as a group, there are a bigger percentage of HAMS that know the technical aspects of radio than CBers do. That is only because you have to know SOME theory to get to differnt levels in the Hobby..
One more comment. Privacy. In HAM radio, there is none. I will give you that one. If you are private, or have warrants for you arrest, dont be a HAM...lol But that is the Nature of a license...to identify people who hold the licenses.
Phineas |
another ham/cb guy
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bruce, who apointed you C.E.F POLICE.
i don't know or care about all the "big brother eye in the sky stuff". so keep that to the other poster.
as for my comment about why some guy's dont want to move to the ham bands i posted what a lot of MY friends tell me...if it hits a nerve in you than that should tell you something! as for myself i dont worry about it since im not one of those fellas.
now no one mentioned you or implied anything about you,(bruce) just how some guys honestly feel about what was mentioned earlier.so i advise you to get over your complex as you did nothing more than call yourself out by your defensive post. but if the shoe fits.. right!
fellas you dont have to act like elitests to gain respect from cber's or anyone else if thats your deal... youll get more buy being a real person and draw in a good crowd of new operators. besides getting a ham ticket is a pretty easy task!
"if you want to impress someone cure cancer,aids or perfect cold fusion" and world peace.
then we'll be impressed! |
Phineas
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 1:56 pm: |
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Another HAM
Who cares about gaining respect from anyone. I, as a HAM, am not in it for you or any other person CB or HAM. Noone else should be. If a CBer gets offended but a HAM telling them something, or vise versa, that is that persons' hangup. I am also an Engineer and constantly hear people say the same thing about how Engineers are elitists, yet if they want to be Engineers bad enough what is really stopping them?
Lets us get real. We know there are elitists people out there, but the key here is respecting people for whome they are and what choices they make. Then be done with it. Pointing a finger over a different point of view isnt right coming from anyone.
I know bruce will have something to say, but here it goes. I have never seen bruce snob off any one one here. The only thing I have seen him guilty of is putting too much of a HAM answer into a CB question. So what. At least he is giving a few people on here credit for understand the radio world beyond basic operation. As a result, now more HAMS on her are coming out and contributing. Not bashing, not downing CBers, but as fellow radio operators...period.
So dude, come down off of the soap box. What I do. Deal with people on an individual basis. If you dont like snobs, or elitists, then leave them alone. I do :P
As far as impressed. I know more than a few CBers that impress me with their knowledge or radios. A license doesnt prove that a person is knowledgeable or not. All it does is open up privilages...thats it. Impressed. Being a HAM, all I ever impress the fact of is that I am the President of the KMA club. Kiss My --- Club. That is what I tell people who put me on a pedistal(I dont ask to be on), say I am an elitist cause I have a HAM license and try to shoot me down.(I dont see Bruce as one of these people). Especially since I own a CB.
Phineas |
NCUNIT33
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 2:52 pm: |
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Phineas,
Well said. I cannot add anything else to the above .Know this,the jerks are on both ham and cb.
73's |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 4:47 pm: |
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phineas very nicly put 98 % of the people on this forum are welcome to e-mail or even eyeball me anytime see 98% of cbers and hams ARE good people now we all know that the 2% are the problem.
As for hams pompous or otherwise in almost 40 years of being licensed i cant remember ever hearing a conversation on the ham bands devoted to " thoes no good cbers " .Now again on this forum i disagree with people on things for reasons which i feel i need to stand by but at the same time i want the chance to see a reasonbal exchange of ideas and if proven wrong have always addmitted my mistake ... bluntly i dont walk on water.
The policing of this forum is not my concern but i do find it intresting thoes who complain are thoes who seem afraid to post except under some unavable /unlisted name what do they have to hid? As for forms/feds /goverment if anyone THINKS the goverment dosent know everything its want to know you are grossly mistaken. Your SSN any tax return drivers license alone is more than enough. Now as for world peace cold fusion and any other earth shaken events since they mean sonething to others let them go at it guess what if your under 30 they even have your foot print on file....
As for my opinion of MURS go read my postings never have i beleve thoes who wanted this service even care about 2 meters and would not get a license if it was given to them
bruce |
another ham/cb guy
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 9:03 am: |
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phineas/bruce,
well said good replies. |
K4BNJ
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I have been on c.b. radios since i was 6 yrs old my dad always had a big base station and one in every car, and I always loved it. I got my ham ticket back in 1999 and just like the rest I love it to. I still have a c.b. in both cars also with a dual band ham rig. When I got my license a few of my c.b. .friends got there's also. I can't say that I have any complants on either. You will always have the troublemakers in every bunch...But I love my c.b. and my ham rig to.... 73's Light-Foot (K4BNJ)
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