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Author Message   Dimstar Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 2:09 pm:        Passed my Tech exam today!!!!! Uh Oh.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$   bruce Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 7:32 pm:        goooood for you i know that feeling from almost 40 years ago now enjoy it there is a world out there in radio just this weekend i was moble on 10 meters working all around the world on FM then switch to AM and worked a bunch of stations around 29.0-29.1 mhz. you can catch me on 29.6 at 3:30 EST on weekdays. bruce   Phineas Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 9:04 pm:        Bruce First off, he better get his general if he is going to talk to you on 29.6mhz FM. Also you can catch me on 29.620 most days. Phineas   bruce Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 10:12 am:        true but most get the general within a year ANOTHER REASON A SUPPORT THE NO CODE !!!!!! hey 29.620 is that a link or you just on a output????   USA194 Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 2:02 pm:        Hey Bruce- Here's a question for you.... Can a tech license holder operate over a satellite with vhf uplink and hf downlink? I've not been able to find the specific rule dealing with that scenario.   Phineas Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 4:20 pm:        Bruce 29640 is on an FM repeater pair with 29540 Phineas   Highlander Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 6:42 pm:        USA194, that type of communication would be permissible, because the you would be transmitting on vhf, not hf. The satellite is transmitting the downlink on hf.   KG4RYT Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:58 pm:        SOUNDS GOOD, I HOPE YOU ENJOY HAM RADIO. JIM KG4RYT   Freezerman Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 7:50 pm:        Another cb er lost to the world of federal regulation now they know who you are where you live and what your ssan is YOU LOSE DUDE!!!!   Znut Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:13 pm:        What was that Freezerman? What is "ssan" dude? I'm confounded! Znut   bruce Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 7:25 am:        Sometimes i wonder .... if thoes who hate goverment regulation should not find some where else to live.... This is a country build on the rule of law our founders also built into our form of goverment ways to change laws as needed. Now as for " lost to the world of federal regulation " what gives you the idea you by your use of a CB radio are not under " federal regulation " Ha? If tomorrow the FCC pules up on your driveway and walks in with a court order to search your going to tell them no?? ... well you can if your willing to pay the price... o im sorry you dont have too because you dont fall under federal regulation do you... geese. Freezerman im not picking on you its your comment that makes me wonder. The fact that the FCC is hopeless undermaned has no bering on the fact that you are and always will be ruled by federal laws like it or not. Now if you feel that the laws need to be changed get your case together and go get it done. As for our new ham Dimstar welcome and may you have a lifetime of exciting radio contacts and get to enjoy the radio world like so many of us have. Bruce   FREEBANDER Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 10:40 am:        YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GOT YOUR TICKET MAN, NOW THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ARE. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU. BE COOL. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER   BIGFOOT Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 1:15 pm:        ...sounds like FREEBANDER is mis-informed and want to TRY to scare some one with this type of communication system.... FCC is BIG time under staffed and they CAN not do as much as we THINK they can...they go after the BIG DOGS on violations. not the little puppies. They have all 50 + states to work on, not just your state or city communication situations.   Freezerman Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 2:57 pm:        Your social Security number Without one you cant do anything. Now sense they have yours they will know everything you do where you go and everything else you do for the rest of your life. I dont need to go anywhere else because I am fighting goverment regulation where it is needed the most ....right here in the good old USA   Freezerman Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 3:02 pm:        If you refuse entry by the FCC you are found guilty by the mere fact that you refused entry. Try to refuse and they will go and get a court order that you cant refuse. It happened here (not me tho) they came to a fellow CB ers house and he told them that thay could not enter and they got an order and because he refused took all his equipment . Try to see if you are guilty or not in the eyes of the FCC Guilty untill proven innocent.   Znut Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 7:29 pm:        I haven't seen you post too much on this thread Dimstar. I hope you weren't discouraged by some of the anti-ham banter. You accomplished something and you should feel good about it and look forward to every step you take in this field that you are interested in! CB is a takeoff point for many who venture into communications whether it is ameteur, broadcast, public service or whatever. I enjoy CB. Honestly, I enjoy being a ham more and more. I've had my ticket for almost 3 yrs now. I have taken baby steps starting with a vhf handheld, then vhf mobile and just recently got a Ranger 5054dx 6 meter rig (it is EXACTLY like a 2950 except band.) I've been playing with SSTV and sending and receiving great pictures with guys around the state, as well as still enjoying the roundtables and nets on sideband voice. Anyway, CONGRATS!!! Dimstar! Randy P.S. Don't worry about the big brother crap. You already have a telephone and internet service, and the gov could be there! Your radios won't get you in trouble unless you make trouble!   Taz Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 7:58 pm:        You see you missed somthing toatally. DONT ANSWER THE DOOR! THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO GET YOUR STUFF OUTTA THE HOUSE! They will be wearing blue suits and will have a clipboard in there right hand.   bruce Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 9:17 pm:        Freezerman When you push the mike on your radio you have aggreed to abide by the rules failure to do so or failure to read the rules will fall on deaf ears When the fcc did away with licenses it did not change the fact that your bound by part 95 or did it change the fact thay they have a right to inspect your ststion any time they wish and do not have to have a reason to do so. As for removing his radio at that point they had revoked his license.... yes you have one it is that understanding. Not including any exam the diffrence is cb'ers can allow unrestricted ues of their radios anyone can use it while a ham can allow ues but he must be under control.... because a ham license is also a opperators too. Im being simplistic but when they wrote this stuff they tried to cover every problem... wata get confused try and read all this stuff....but give your self lots of time you'll need it   Freezerman Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 1:41 am:        I NEVER signed my mame to any agreement so in any court in the land any implyed agreement is NOT binding. Part 95 GIVE ME A BREAK!!! HA   Mrhappy Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 5:05 pm:        what are you so paranoid about? The united states of america is the greatest country on this earth,and if you have a problem with the laws of this land,work within the system to change it,it's like the people who dont vote,yet want to whine about everything,so if your sittin there crying about the laws,get off your a** and do something about it. BTW,incase your new or something,the U.S government issued you your SS#,so they already have it.there's plenty of room in russia if your so unhappy here.   bruce Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 11:45 pm:        freezerman... you dont get it i understand you disloyalty to this country and your need to enjoy all the rights that this nation allows but when it comes to radio the FCC rules you like it or not. Now i think if you are realy this unhappy maby you need to go somewhere where there are no laws ..... when you find that place take jane Fonda with you.   FREEBANDER Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 8:53 am:        FREEZERMAN, I know what you are saying and it bothers me to see a good cb'er corrupted by the federal goverment (fcc) and become a spam radio tech. I will never sell out to the misinformed and the misguided hands of the arrl or any ham radio type. Keep it free. be cool FREEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER   Denny1820 Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 9:50 pm:        Why do you think a good CB'er got corrupted? They can still operate on 11 meters just like you. They can still key the MIC when they want. The underlying fact is they can do it legally on more FREQ's than you can, and for some reason I think your more jealous than hateful.   bruce Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:36 am:        Denny isn't it interesting how our freebanding friends only care about THEIR rights.... being opressed by the goverment ..... or some " missguided ham". I work at a jail and guess what our guest here will tell you the same thing " Its the goverment that did this " . I wonder have ANY of these people ever filed papers tring to clean up this missguided FCC mess ?? Now im ASKING what have ANY of these people done to make things right ?? You have to look at things from my distored view that without laws all of us would be at he mercy of anyone wanting anything we have. You can lambast me the ARRL the FCC or even the comunications act of 1934 what have YOU Mr freebander or freezerman done .... except get on this forum with the same crap i heard out of the commy students in the late 60's who flew viet cong flags. Sorry but like most people my age i'm more than willing to lissen to good debate... i even requested that one of you take the floor and let all of us know how you felt things might be better no takers.... hummm . Well let the many good CB users here hear what you have to say and what you are doing to get this problem as you incorectly see it solved. You know old hanoi jane an't looking so bad. bruce   NCUNIT33 Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:48 pm:        BRUCE, THE TERM GUEST MEANS THEY WIL LEAVE AND GO HOME LATER. NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE THE BEST DESCRIPTION OF INMATES. I AGREE WITH THE OTHER STATEMENTS.   Znut Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:55 pm:        Gentlemen, I'm not real impressed myself with where this thread has gone. Poor Dimstar stated his accomplishment and I think that is where it was intended to go. Instead the guy gets lambasted for doing something he thought was a good idea and is excited about. Having some illegally operated gear confiscated is much more decent than having your principles and interests even attempted to be taken away. Shame on you (not Dimstar). Dimstar, I hope you didn't disappear. Hope to read some more posts from you. Take Care Znut   FREEBANDER Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:58 pm:        You guys think it is special to have a sheet of paper that says ham operator, i don't get it. I talk all over the world and don't need it. I don't use silly repeators, don't need them. I listen to 2meters and 440 on my scanner, talk about neardsville, ROGER TANGO ETC.And have you guys ever listen to a net, give me a break "it's stupid" well i guess that is why i'm just a poor little cb operator hated by all hams alike!!!! CB BORN AND CB BRED AND WHEN I DIE I WILL BE CB DEAD! FREEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEER THE GREATEST IN GREENSBORO AND I'M STILL BLOWING SMOKE!!!!!   FREEBANDER Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 2:53 pm:        DE:ZNUT, What are you talking about, it has went in the right direction. We where simply stating the fact that DIMSTAR is now a spam has nothing to do with our disagreements of why he did it.quote "I'm not real impressed myself with where this thread has gone. Poor Dimstar stated his accomplishment and I think that is where it was intended to go. Instead the guy gets lambasted for doing something he thought was a good idea and is excited about. WE didn't attack him personally just disagreed with what he has done. It is called a different opion, I beleive that is why we have forums? big brother is watching!!!!!!!! FREEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEER AND I STILL OWN MY EXPORT RADIO "SWEAT DX BABY"   bruce Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 9:37 pm:        ncunit33 At this jail very few are in here for serious crimes most for child support or drugs and sorry Znut this should have have its own heading and i will refrain from taking away from the accomplishment of Dimstar any futher   Bulldog Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:57 pm:        Well I have a piece of paper on my wall that I'm proud of. And it was not "given" to me, I worked for it. And I don't bootleg on other bands. It still amazes me someone can go into a Wall Mart and plop down $40.00 and be on the air, screaming breaker,breaker at the top of his/her lungs. Then hey let's get power mic, clip the limiter and strap on about a 1000 watts to talk with the guys 2 miles down the road. Just listen to channel 6 sometime. And I don't care if big brother is watching, I'm legal. Congrats Dimstar and keep upgrading.   Znut Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 12:19 am:        Hello, It's amazing that some bands only a few khz wide are ham bands. They would not be if operators were always discourteous and overmodulated. They would simply be ... gone. The bands and the operators. No, I don't think your scanners should be limited. No cell block. Just 'cause some senator was indescrete with his personal bus. I think radios such as export radios should be just like they are and widely available. I for one(of many) listen more than I talk. Of course I can only talk a few hours at a time. However, there is more out there than just myself. You hook up your export radio to your PC and get software for CW or SSTV or PSK or RTTY and copy some of the activity on 10 meters whilst you're not talking on CB or freeband. Listen to some ragchew on FM or USB. It's exciting. Hopefully, while that's happening some guy in the quarry in Vermont is able to get to dispatch on 27.6 or whatever... Those services are there for some reason. By the way Freebander, I usually only "sweat" when I'm working, working out, or playing with my lady. I've never sweated over any DX unless I thought I fried the neighbors cable box when working some 6 meter with 100 watts. In essence, you are responsible for your own actions, not Dimstar's. You may or may not interfere when operating out of band. I'm not going to belittle someone who earned their ticket because I percieve that they will operate thoughtfully and legally. Moreover, I'm not going to frown on you for operating an export radio. That's your call as the operator responsible for your rig, as to how you operate. Just remember that guy out there on a shortwave service who may suffer due to illicit use of a frequency or frequencies assigned to that/those service(s). It may not be fun and games for them! Just a thought folks. Znut   bruce Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 10:13 am:        znut well said   707 Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 6:43 pm:        There is a fundamental difference in opinion and intent here. Dimstar should be proud to have passed the prerequisite exams to be duly licensed. Anyone who would detract from that pride is, in my opinion, either green with envy or perhaps the type of person who routinely breaks the "little laws" in life, and has no use for authority nor any understanding of why that authority has been granted, and likely the type who choose to break speed limits and traffic signals with no regard to the safety of others. While some may perceive the HF/VHF/UHF amateur band activity to be "boring", others enjoy the simple practice of making themselves heard over a distance via the magic of radio, no matter the band, and will do whatever it takes to be respected and accepted by other licensed radio operators. This is nothing to scoff at. No more than one should scoff at the "CBer" or "Freebander" who may be heard on the band, constantly tuning, whistling, mostly talking to himself while watching the output meter, knowing that somewhere, someone might be listening for about 2 seconds, but secure in the knowledge that "my radio puts out!". Sort of like a shadetree hotrodder with no race to participate in, who revels in thundering up and down the streets, just to make sure everybody knows he exists. Somewhat of a hobbyist, but without the mechanical or electronic knowledge nor the initiative or desire to strive for higher skills. In short, some folks like to converse in a civilized, coherent, structured manner, some folks like to turn the hobby into a higher learning experience, and some folks like to throw wattage out over the air for the sheer pleasure of running up the power bill and cluttering up the frequency for others who like to converse. It's all good.   Denny1820 Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 9:13 pm:        Congrat's to DimStar! I now am personally embarrased for taking your post this deep, as the others have said. You should be proud of your accomplishment. I hope you keep going, and find a great life in HAM radio.   FREEBANDER Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 9:07 am:        NOTE TO: ZNUT, BRUCE,AND 707 YOU GUYS ARE TALKING THE TALK BUT NOT WALKING THE WALK!!! HAM RADIO IS AS BIG A MESS AS CB IS JUST READ QRZ.COM TALK AND OPINIONS. I SEE SOME OF THE SAME NAMES HERE AS I SEE ON THAT HAM SITE. AND WHAT I SEE IS ALOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH CB RADIO.I DEFEND MY STANDS AGAINST GOVERMENT REGULATION AND DO SUPPORT DX OF THE AIRWAVES INCLUDING CB. ACCORDING TO THE RULES YOU ARE NOT TO MAKE A CONTACT WITH ANYONE BEYOND 150 MILES OF YOUR LOCATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE A HAM TICKET IT IS OKAY? THATS WRONG! WE SEE HAMS WITH MODIFIED RADIOS ALL OVER THE BANDS INCLUDING CB AND THEY SAY THAT IS OKAY. WRONG AGAIN!!! I AM A OPEN FREEBANDER. I TALK WITH HAMS AND CB ERS ALIKE. I WILL CONTINUE TO ENJOY THE HOBBY, WITHOUT SELLING OUT TO THE FEDS. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER (AND I'M STILL BLOWING SMOKE)   bruce Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 9:30 pm:        As for problems the FCC IS inforceing rules on the ham bands THATS why you see so much more said as for modifiing radios it is NOT illegual to modify a radio only to use it if you would like to check with the FCC.   Metro Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 1:10 am:        Hey Bruce, watch that "U" buddy! Metro   Kg4ryt Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 4:00 pm:        SAD, IF HAMS ARE USING EXPORT RADIOS ON EXPORT CHANNELS. WE MAY JUST BE LOSING THE BATTLE WITH THE FREEBANDERS ALL OVER THE WORLD.   bruce Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 6:24 pm:        sorry metro old habbit i guess as for hams on other frequencys you play you pay   Freezerman Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:43 pm:        Bruce I see that the Fourmaster not allow me to post my opion on the fourm anymore. So I guess you will be able to post your "Ham propaganda" when and where you wish so to make a long story short, I SHALL FOREVER REMAIN LICENSE FREE!!!!! FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!   Forummaster Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 9:47 am:        Freezerman, I am not opposed to you posting your opinion. However I will not allow posts that are meant to stir the pot. Some of your posts include name calling and ham bashing. These posts do not further the conversation. In my dealings with the public over the years I have found that approximately 98% of all people are good, honest people. The other 2% are trouble makers. Because the 2% is loud and obnoxious we tend to think that their numbers are much larger. This breakdown holds true for hams and cbers. The cbers listen to the 2% of hams that are rude and think that most hams are this way. The hams listen to the 2% of cbers and think that most are this way. Because the cb band only consists of 40 channels it is more likely you will hear one of the 2% on the cb band than you will on ham bands. This is why I believe there is a misperception about cbers being worse than hams. In a city the size of Louisville all you need is about 10 to 15 trouble makers and the cb frequencies will become almost unusable. Is it any wonder that cbers have looked for other frequencies to talk on? Out of this comes someone like Bruce. He is one of the 98% of hams that are good decent people. He is positive and helpful to cbers. I for one appreciate his input on this forum. Yes he somtimes pushes the legalities of the situations a little too far but the vast majority of his posts are helpful and instructive. Bruces wants every cber to understand the eye opening appeal of ham and he can't understand why more cbers don't become hams instead of "freebanding". We at Copper believe that hams and cbers can live peacefully together because they both have a love for communcations. Most hams got their start talking on a cb because the entry fee was so inexpensive(low cost equipment and no license). Intelligent hams also understand that cbers are their lifeblood. I believe Bruce stated in an earlier post that the average age of a ham is 54. Obviously for ham to stay viable the trend must tend toward a lower age. They can do this by bringing cbers into their fold. We at Copper would like to facilitate the cber to ham conversion. We don't want to push it we just want to be there with helpful information when someone decides to move up. That is why we encourage hams like Bruce to participate on this forum. So Freezerman I will release any post that is constructive and helpful to the situation. Explaining why you are freebanding I believe is part of the conversation, name calling is not. Keep your post constructive and we will get along great.   FREEBANDER Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 1:17 pm:        NOBOBY IS HAM BASHING!!! I love talking with the hams on the high side just like the next fellow. I don't wish to take away from dimstar's license and effort but,if dimstar doesn't at least upgrade to a general he will find out they will not respect him or want to talk with him!!!!!just listen to the scanner on the repeater frequencies and the qrz.com forum. i love freebanding and maybe,just maybe one day bruce will give me a call out of Florida. \ FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER (I'M STILL BLOWING SMOKE MR. FCC MAN) AND I'M BACK OUT!!!!!!   bruce Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 7:01 pm:        guys i have one thing im tring to do HELP anyone who asks. The best way to do that is to try to get people to think be it ham or cb thinking think about what all of us are saying and where we are comming from. Yes i stress stay within the rules but look where i work IN A JAIL. Now like 99% of the people on here i got my start SWL'ing in the 50's and as a kid got to tinker with cb sets in 60-63 when at 14 i got my first license. You will never see me hid my identy or squelch my feelings on things i feel with over 40 years in radio and almost that as a ham and YES i use CB everyday just ask the locals here in tampa bay. Taz and others e-mail me all the time swap jokes and things of limited intrest or large files like photos. I try in my listings to give good information and back it up when i can with links or a referance to where i got it so the users which i always try to treat with respect and yes have a brain can go find it and read the entire text for them selves and then we can dissciss it like the A99 gain or others which tended to drag on till most agree we beat that to death. Laws of intrest like washington's new one could effect all of you directly i posted that because i found it was heavy 6 months for a radio... drug pushers dont get that at my jail... but i might get me a cb trusty ... kidding. See i 'm tring too to have a good time look at things i post i can kid and will give me a chance. Well enough metro is spell checking me about now i dont mind english was not one of my best subjects anyway thanks everyone and lets enjoy our hobbie all of us bruce   Freezerman Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:07 pm:        Bruce, Please continue to "HELP" just leave out the part where you add anything "ham" I for one get really tired of seeing you say that all CB problems could be solved by becomeing a "ham" The two are NOT the same. I Sent my license back once i saw what information the feds wanted from me. Why should I be required to have a license for something that I can do anyway? I talk freely to people in person without one so why would i need one to talk to them on the radio. Read the Bill Of Rights. What does it say ???...something about Freedom of Speach. Requiring a license to talk? I dont think so!!!! FREEBRABD FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!! ' '   Znut Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:44 pm:        Freezerman, How did you send your license back? Was It amatuer radio or CB(back in the day)? I thought that once you successfully applied, you just got issued a callsign, with whatever adress you gave on your app. the only link to you. I don't understand the paranoia. I hope you enjoy your radio hobby! Take Care, Znut   Tech181 Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 12:00 am:        You know. The man has a point. Operate the freeband way, and they need a warrant to come in your shack. Get a license to do it, and you already gave them permission to come in any time they please. Steve Tech181 Tech181@copperelectronics.com   bruce Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 7:36 am:        freebander show me where i stated " all problems are solved by becomeing a ham"? Sometimes i dont make myself clear but i dont feel i can take creit for a statment like that.   What? Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 12:14 pm:        Bruce, how did you get your CB license at 14? The age limit was 18 or older.   Ncrebel Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 1:31 pm:        Gosh,if people are so worried about the FCC why not just get a long piece of string and two tin cans??The governmemt already knows where you live,who you are,what race you are,and just about everything about you except whether you wear boxers or briefs!And who knows?They might know that too!(just joking)But it doesn't matter whether you have your ham lisence or not they can still search your house,if you don't let them the first time they'll make it where you'll have to the second and then you're still screwed over.So either way there's no real advantage as far as keeping them out of your home to not having a ham ticket.The government knows who we are,where we live,and our date of birth and so much more and if you're not getting your ticket just for the reason that you're scared the government is gonna know something about you,it's way too late.And you're doing without something you can enjoy.   bruce Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 6:20 pm:        OK MR i dont want you to know who i am MR what? i didnt get a cb license at 14 i got a HAM license at 14 i tinkered with cb sets like most kids because dad had one by the way by the time i was just 18 i already had the tech license and a first class radio telephone and finshed a 4 year tech school. As for needing a warrant the fact that you are using a radio is grounds for them to be granted one not having a license has no bering on them getting one just ask the leagal dept at the FCC and TRUST ME if they feel your a big enough catch when they show up they will have one bruce   Bulldog Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 7:53 pm:        If you have a s.s number and/or a drivers license. Big brother knows more about you then you think, the FCC never asked for anymore info AFTER I got my license. So I don't understand why someone would send their's back. (unless I'm missing something)   Freezerman Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 10:05 pm:        That is true but if you refuse to give it you have the right not to. No where does it say to get a drivers license that you have to supply the feds with your most personal stats. You can file papers with the feds state local and Federal that keeps that info from everyone that you wish. I refused my "ham" ticket when I found out what kind of info they wanted. I took the test and passed way back in the 70s. Passed high enough to be an extra class. I will never take the time again to allow the goverment to have one more way to keep tabs on me. I apologise to the Forumaster for the groundless post about not being allowed to post my views. REMEMBER FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIGHT GOVERMENT REGULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Don123 Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 3:57 am:        Hi Dimstar: Congrats!!!!! Welcome to Ham Radio! You will find that it is true 98% of all people are good and you will find some that are not..so stay away from those 2%...most Hams will Welcome you and your class does NOT matter but having fun with radios does! Many Hams came from CB...lets face it the CB band was a Ham band so don't let anyone talk you out of more Band space and learning more about radio...but of course stay in touch with your CB friends too. Anyway have fun and Congrats on passing!!!!! 73 Don123 ps. I must say that many times the 11 meter guys have more money wrapped up in just 11 meter gear than most Hams that work many bands so don't worry about the money as you will spend just as much on CB most likely.....and btw a Ham License is FREE to everyone the goverment does not charge for one as some might have you think   FREEBANDER Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 8:54 am:        GUYS, Just read qrz.com and you will find out that ham radio is in just as big of a mess as cb is. just look at the post of mr. freedom and the fact that fred loydd bans most anyone with an oposing view point. free with freedom FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER   bruce Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:12 pm:        freebander if you think the ham bands are at the level that 11 meters is then explain why all repeaters are not jamed with music being played explain why ssb is not being used in CW bands and why techs doing just go on the general bands HA? Should I be able to take your channel because i want it or just about anything because i have a right to do as i please. This is a land of laws and you need to obey them or back up and go some where else.... sorry guys but his distortions about hams are realy getting to me   FREEBANDER Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 9:16 am:        BRUCE, I disagree with you!!!!!!!!!! If you could step out of your ham radio britches and see what all you hams are saying ,it's great to be a ham and when someone gets there they say it wasn't worth it.Point being, no code techs are slamed, forty meters and eighty meters just like a cb war zones and new hams even with code are slamed because they didn't earn it? like the old guys did!!! and what is sad, you know i'm telling the truth!!! and you will not admit it!!!! FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER   ~FreighTrain~ Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 12:51 pm:        HEY FREEBANDER, THEY BANNED ME TOO ON QRZ.COM!   bruce Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 6:17 pm:        REALY THEY SLAM THOES WHO DIDNT EARN IT? You harp on no-code techs but i dont here that kind of talk o a few back 15 years ago but not here get some calls maby i need to see what they have to say..... you know thoes who put down almost have nothing to offer...   bruce Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 6:39 pm:        both of you... i went on QRZ Freighttrain i beleve you were sarcastic but probley went too far.Thinking about it reading what THEY post makes me seem almost meek. bruce   FREEBANDER Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 7:54 am:        Just like i said read this on qrz.com Non-code-amateurs - the consequences FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEER   BIG FOOT Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 12:21 pm:        ...sure glad I do not have to worry about hearing FREEBANDER on the local vhf - UHF repraters here...might instigate a foxhunt in a very short time... ( lol ) means laughing out loud   FREEBANDER Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 1:53 pm:        LOL BIGFOOT, I can't stand that line of sight radio waves stuff. I like ssb on 27.555,and not worrying about a fox hunt, don't get me wrong i love foxes (the two leg varity) but fox hunting either for radio operators or for the little red guys isn't my thing. I like freebanding and enjoying radio. you know what is sad, i was talking to papa charlie 196 the other day and a ham dude came into the frequency (27.550lsb) and i told him he might get in more trouble than me because he was a ham operator and he said don't beleive that hog wash. The export channels are open and free. Great DX. Let me say i'm sorry to all those no code techs out there that the other hams step on and don't respect. STILL BLOWING SMOKE WITH MY HR2510 AND SOON ON MY NEW BASE STATION FROM COPPER. CB'S MOST WANTED GOOD GUY!!!!!! FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER   Freezerman Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 2:02 pm:        See Big Foot. Listen any night to a local repeater and see if it is a Closed repeter, that way they keep out the ppl that dont agree with thier views. That is Ham "regulation" If you dont become a "member"of thier group you cant use thier repeater. That is regulation by a select few, radio is meant to be "free" not a pay or you cant use. Do you ever op out of band, because if you do then you cant say anything. Do you id every time you tx? Whem the "HAMS" get thier own house in order then and only then can they gripe about freebanders!!!! Freeband Forever!!!!!! Fight regulation!!!!!!!   bruce Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 5:31 pm:        Its a closed repeter because someone put a lot of money in it and would like to have some control over who uses it and a pl tone is a ligit way to do that. I had a machine WR4ANA here in largo on 52.55 (in) 53.55 out but it was open to all ... my choice. You have no understanding of this or you never would have posted what you said. The FCC also allows groups like the florida repeater assoc. to assign frequencys and handle disputes and this has worked very well. The hams involved are following the law ... just that simple   Freezerman Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 11:33 pm:        Bruce, You still dont get it do you??? A closed repeater is a regulated repeater!!! Radio was and still is a FREE thing. Those who close thier repeater to anyone who wishes to use it are REGULATING others. I agree that some need to be regulated , such as those that are used for emergency, but close a repeater because they only want ppl that agree with them is WRONG no matter how it is viewed. Self-policing does NOT work, those that are the self-policers become dictators in that they say "You agree with me or else you are out" If you think that it works anyother way ck it out and you will see that self-policing has never worked and never will Freeband Forever!!!!! Fight Regulation!!!!!!!   707 Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 1:15 am:        Freezerman- Do you choose to drive on the median because the curb is a restriction? A repeater is not "FREE". There are either gracious hams who choose to self-fund, or groups who make regular donations to the repeater association in order to keep the system up. If there is only one repeater in your area, and you don't particularly fit in the group, that is unfortunate, but the fact is the repeater steward has ultimate control over the content.   Metro Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 1:25 am:        A repeater used for emergency comunications by police, fire and paramedic units that will respond to your house or your kids house when needed? Can someone, anyone out there chime in on info on where the funds for those services come from. Lets make a game of it, what other services out there benefit all citizens, like maybe National Gaurd troops standing posts at our airports these days. Metro   bruce Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 5:11 am:        frezerman YOU dont get it: I RAN A REPEATER I BUILT IT PAIED FOR IT AND UNDER THE RULES ANYTHING SAID ON IT I COULD BE HELD ACOUNTABLE FOR. The rules for a closed machine are simple you put a PL on it and you HAVE THE RIGHT to say no. Here in StPete we have just a few i know most of the owners and none are snobes ....simple they paied for it they control who gets to use it and you dont have a right to tell them otherwise. As for self policeing beets the heack out of what ever you have in mind. The diffrence here is this is not REGULATION this is USE of a station and not self policeing its a membership issue. Start thinking of OTHERS rights all i see you write about is what you want for your self   Freezerman Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 9:00 am:        I AM thinkg of others rights!!!! Those rights only apply to me and others as long as it doesnt go against what the goverment thinks they need !!!! Look at what you just said.."They paid for it thus they "control who gets to use it" , controling and Restricting are the same thing. The ppl that control the repeater are saing "if we dont like you, you cant use "our" repeater. This does NOT apply to police, fire ond other emergency services. I know what I want for me and my family!!! A life with as little goverment REGULATION in our every day lives as possible. Requireing a MEMBERSHIP is REGULATION. I am a leader in this community against the regulation of all citizens. Some dont know how to stand for thier RIGHTS. I will continue to fight (peacefully) against all unjust goverment regulation into all citizen rights and lives. Read the Constitution and see the Bill Of Rights, and you will see for yourself where our true "Rights", not just mine but all ppl that can call this great Country home. America land of the FREE!!!!. Not as "free as the goverment thinks you should be"   Phineas Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 12:22 pm:        Bruce There is a way around that....when someone doesnt want me to talk through their equipment, I just talk simplex on the output Freq Most of the time, people who use repeaters dont even need the repeater in the first place. Phineas   BIG FOOT Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 2:03 pm:        ....based on reading the messages above and several other messages through this forum... there is NO need is EVER disagreeing with FREE BANDER... he ( in his world ) is ALWAYS right, even when the rest of the civilized world disagrees with him.   Insider Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 8:59 pm:        After putting it off for some years now,I'm still only 23, I'm considering getting motivated and working towards a ham ticket. I'm not concerned with the FCC having my info as they already have it when I got my restricted license when joining my former college's radio station. Besides, the government already has my social security number, it's a goverment issued number from the get-go. Don't anyone get me wrong, CB is great and I have no plans on leaving it behind if I get the ticket. It's that the license would allow me to use more frequencies, more modes, and hopefully meet more people like the crowd here on the Copper Forum. Sure, there'll be more responsibilities with the license, but there's something kind of cool about the prospect of using a satelite. I have no quarrel with anyone, but it seems as though some who look down at those who want the ticket are implying that the prospective ticket holder isn't a real radio enthuisest(sp). Which I find odd because it seems to me with the exception of those who are just trouble makers, or only use the radio for their job, every other hobby user is very into radio. It's almost as if we're born with that itch to get on the air. Personally, I've been into radio in varying degrees since I was about five. First with regular commercial broadcasts: often wondering why AM sounds different than FM and why AM comes in better at night. Then came those cheesy G.I. Joe walkie talkies. Can't tell you how many of those I disected after they've gone bad. Eventually came the shortwave set: spin the dial and hear the world. That was followed by a Uniden scanner, and a subscription to Monitoring Times. At that point, I was going to look into the ham ticket, but somewhere between freshman year of high school and the end of junior year of college, all that took a back seat. However radio didn't. I spent a lot of time at the college radio station, eventually becoming the production director. I've been on the CB for a little under two years now. As well as working for an AM station. Recently, I've begun experimenting with part 15 FM devices. I've built two part 15 transmitters from kits and may someday get the courage to build one from a schematic alone. I may or may not have what it takes to get the ticket, but either way it's worth a try. As for politics, I am politically active on issues of concern to me, as well as a member of activist groups concerned with those issues. Thanks to the forum master, moderators, et all for allowing me to be long winded. Now, let's all have fun on the radio...   bruce Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:27 pm:        insider great letter and go for it!   Alsworld Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 11:04 pm:        Insider, if that's your wish, go for it. It's all good. Although I don't personally agree with Freezerman or Freebander on many of their points, I am very glad we live in a free country where they can express their opinion without fear of arrest. I personally welcome their opinion on this forum even though I might disagree. America is so cool! All I ask is from those two is this...if someone wants to get their Ham ticket, please don't try and talk them out of it. Express your opinion as you have the right (thankfully!), but don't beat them up. It should be their choice. Both you guys have great points, but ultimately it will be THAT persons choice. We all make our own choices in life and I feel each person will make the choice that best feeds their wants and needs. Give'em your opinion, but don't shove it up their a*s. To each is own.   Freezerman Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 6:59 pm:        I am not tring to "talk" them out of getting thier "ticket"> i jusy want to inform them of what rights they lose whem they do!!! If the FCC wants to come in your home ,they dont even need a warrent to do so. When you fill out that form you have to tell them info that "they" want to know so they can keep tabs on you!! I urge you to rethink getting that "hamticket" but if you do I wish you the best. To me it is NOT worth the loss of the personal freedom that comes with it. FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!!! STAY LICENSE FREE!!!!   Don123 Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:01 pm:        Talk the truth: Some of these posts are flat wrong.... Why would anyone be concerned about the FCC if they were not doing anything illegal or wrong? The FCC is not going to come into your home when you are not doing anything illegal or wrong.....being a Ham you have more frequency range and you can run amps or additional power. Even if you did happen to violate some FCC rule most likely you would get a letter and that letter would want you to respond what your side of the story is...you are not guilty right on the spot nor are they going to come into ones home and invade the place...just not true...don't believe a word of it! I also can't understand the other false statements either.....you will not loose any rights or freedom getting your Ham ticket....and Ham radio is free just like CB is, there is no cost it is FREE to everyone at any age or any color or race and you will GAIN additional frequencys and many other benefits by getting your Ham ticket. Now back to the orignal post and more positive things (not negative that started these 75 responses)...congrats Dimstar you will do just fine!!!! Don123   Alsworld Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:10 pm:        Freezerman, fair enough. No beef from me here with that answer. Honestly it's a pretty darn fine one. Your point DOES make a lot of sense and I probably would not have seen that point of view had it not been brought up on this forum. Shoot man, big companies pay big bucks for those who "think out of the box". Maybe you could do us all a favor and get hired as a lawyer for the FCC. he he he he. I can see it now...."only those members of the Copper forum can use the frequency of ....up to 2K watts is allowed.... but then again, someone would probably freeband it (LOL! only pun intended)   bruce Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:17 pm:        freezerman Somehow you believe that the FCC is going to show up with out a warrant ... in these times of litigation?? We have people every day who show up in booking spouting similar statements as you do. No where in the constution does it say I have to have a license to drive ... guess what their in jail so much for that. And i might add in the 3 years ive been there I've NEVER heard of one getting out on that grounds. This has nothing to do with freedom it is your belief that the only rights that matter are yours and you need to forgo any license is your way of making it clear you have no intrest in being restricted again since you are only intrested is in your self. And finaly you will never be caught since your not a big fish if your were the FCC would have know about you along time ago your not and never will be.   willie l. brown Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 12:12 am:        Bruce, you might add that the fcc isn't the only ones that are allowed to regulate citizens band, the house and senate passed "enabling legislation" and it was signed by the president, that empowers the states to regulate cb, the state police, city, and county sheriffs department can check on one's radios for type and power (read linears)and has power under the law to seize one's equipment, except for "truckers only",in which case, they have to show "probable cause".sorry but that is the skippy. willie   Freezerman Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 10:34 am:        Bruce, You still dont get it!!! The Fcc does it all the time and I can give you printed news clipping to prove it!!! The FCC can walk up to your door and they dont even need a warrent!!! They can come in and take your equipment and you have no recourse to stop them!! Willie, You think that the local police is going to come to your house "without a warrent" to take you stuff. IT WONT HAPPEN!!!! This is what I am tring to get you all to understand!!. The FCC doesnt need a warrent and it simply because of the "ham Ticket" that hams have . When you got that ticket ,you gave up your rights to that requirment!! I am just telling you what the reality is. I know this to be true because it has happened here in my home town!!!   willie l. brown Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 5:06 pm:        freezerman, they will have every thing they need with them, they have that authority. i know a bunch like you; (and it has already happened to three of them;) and they did have warrents and one fellow was in a car and they got him and a nice 2970 and 500,or600 watt amp too. he tried to get em back, still hasen't got em back. all that needs to happen is some lill-ole-lady complain and they will come a running wheather you believe it or not. guess some have to learn the hard way.. willie   Willie Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 9:53 pm:        don123 its true that a ham license cost nothing per se but it does cost time, effort and there is you know the vec fee $10.00 now, and the license they send from fcc is free, - BUT - if you want one of your own choosing then that brings on more talk, uhhuh, they charge you, for that priveledge. last accounts it was $12.00 a year it is called "vanity" license, could be; a,k,or,w followed by the numerical designator for your state, and your initials ie a4wlb could be my vanity ticket. that is the only that friendly candy compamy charges for a ham license. willie GATE/353   Freezerman Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 10:44 pm:        ALL the need HA HA. All they need is to come up and knock. You cant even deney them entry!!! As long as you have that "ticket" you gave up your "right" to that right. I can talk anywhere from D C to daylight all modes all bands, and I do this license free. Why would I give up rights to have a license??? I have been using my radios for the last 30yrs license free. FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!! FIGHT GOVERMENT REGULATION!!! STAY LICENSE FREE   Don123 Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 11:18 pm:        Hi Willie: You are right anything worth the time and effort is worth doing.....a Ham License, CB, Radio in general is worth the time and effort....just like your kids, your marriage, your job...if you put in the time and effort and do things well then what you produce is not in vain and of value. I also agree that most VE's do charge the $10.00 fee for their voluntary service but many VE testing sites are still free and even if you have to come up with the small donation of $10.00 for the time and material of the VE testing the FCC does not get any of that money...it still is FREE. As far as vanity call signs go that is ones own choice to pay for that just like you might pay for a vanity license plate for you vehicle. I still do not see the TRUTH....show me the articals of the FCC breaking into peoples homes with no prior notice of violation...it just does not take place. Those people that do have their stations or homes looked in upon are people that have been warned before in prior letters with no responses. This just does not take place....and again why would the FCC come look in on you when you are following all rules and regulations...it just does not happen (of course 98% of us are following the rules and are good folks but we always has that 2% that push things...so you play you pay I guess). I really don't know why some people think that everyone is out to get them...maybe they have something to hide. Again....back up your statements with facts. Don123   dimstar Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 5:38 am:        Holy Smokes. I didint think that announcing my tiny accomplishment would cause such a stir. Its All Radio and Its All Fun! Just because I get a ham license doesent mean I give up freebanding.I was working Europe today with 12WATTS! I stress that because license or no license,its the kilowatt plus ,splash up and down the band with flat top modulation crowd that golng to get screwed. In not parinoid about Big Brother or the FCC or anyone else for that matter. Remember. ITS ALL RADIO AND ITS ALL FUN! Its ONLY a HOBBY. There would be no need for regulation on the bands if it wasent for all the jerks that seem to populate both the ham and the cb bands.But there is and thats just the way it is I accept it and I dont let it get in the way of my fun. 73 Ed p.s. Im testing for my general in 2 weeks.   Freezerman Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 9:17 am:        Ok look at what you said" When you are following all the rules and regulations" that is what i am tring to fight. The goverment "regulates and rules" us to much. This is what I am tring to get you all to understand!!!! I have personal first hand knowledge of what I am telling you. A friend called me to tell me that the FCC was at his house, could I come over. When I arrived they were just entering his home. I told him to ask them for the warrent. He was told that they "needed no warrent" Only one Agent id as an FCC officer. His Ham equipment was all taken and he was NOT even given a receite for his stuff. His CB equipment was also taken. When i asked for all personel to id themselves i was told to "leave the premisis or i would be arrested for obstructing" Say what you want but I have see it happen!!! FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!!! STAY LICENSE FREEE!!! FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS!!!   dimstar Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 1:21 pm:        Like I said, Its the kilowatt plus idiots that are going to ruin it for themselves. Not the 12 watters. I shoudent have to hear some clown on CH6 while Im on 21. That infrindges on MY rights.Catch you on 27.535. 73   707 Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 1:31 pm:        Freezerman said: "I can talk anywhere from D C to daylight all modes all bands, and I do this license free. Why would I give up rights to have a license??? I have been using my radios for the last 30yrs license free" 1. I suppose then, you would have no problem with someone transmitting over the same frequency your cordless or cellular phone uses, rendering it useless. 2. I suppose then, you would have no problem with someone transmitting over the same frequency your favorite television show uses, rendering it unviewable. 3. I suppose then, you would have no problem with someone transmitting over the same frequency used by your local ambulance service, rendering it useless, and causing them to arrive "too late to save you" when you finally have that cardial infarction from worrying so much about the government watching over you... The FCC rules and regs are there to protect the bandwidth, for commercial, emergency and private traffic. You also said: "I have personal first hand knowledge of what I am telling you. A friend called me to tell me that the FCC was at his house, could I come over. When I arrived they were just entering his home. I told him to ask them for the warrent. He was told that they "needed no warrent" Only one Agent id as an FCC officer. His Ham equipment was all taken and he was NOT even given a receite for his stuff. His CB equipment was also taken. When i asked for all personel to id themselves i was told to "leave the premisis or i would be arrested for obstructing" I seriously doubt they took his equipment as a reward for operating legally. Why did he call you to come over? Why did you take it upon yourself to demand ID from a government agent in the process of carrying out a field investigation? Since you were not the target, you may certainly ask, but certainly NOT expect for any response to your questioning their authority. You have a lot to learn about Freedom. Believe me, you are exactly the type of person the FCC, federal, state and local law enforcement LOVE to bother.   BIG FOOT Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 3:09 pm:        ---- DIM STAR --- congradulations on passing your TECH q & a !!!! you did good ! BIG FOOT   Dimstar Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 5:23 pm:        Thank You BigFoot. You know the saying...... Its All Radio And Its ALL FUN. Its more fun when you meet nice people too. 73 Ed.   Grumpy8220 Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 5:57 pm:        DIMSTAR, Congradulations on passing, I guess some people just always need something to complain about. If they had real problems like a lot of us due with health issues then maybe they would wake up and smell the coffee. What you are doing is not a bad thing but a good thing,lets not lose focus on that!! I have been in CB Radio for the past 30 years and I will never understand why people dislike the people who are hams! They work hard to learn what they need to get their license so what business is it that someone has to bash you for doing something good. If they don't want a license then don't get one ,but stop bashing the ones that do! By the way I am not a ham just a guy who is so tired of you people who have nothing better to do but put someone down. This is radio,not life or death!!! Lets all have fun and enjoy each other, life is just too short for this bull ••••!!! Thank you and have a nice day...   blacksheep Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 6:24 pm:        this just makes you dizzy,blah,blah,blah!my head hurts now. BTW:ATTA BOY DIMSTAR,YOU DID GOOD BRO.   Freezerman Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 7:52 pm:        I think you are all missing the Point!!!! I am not talking about using you radios to cause interference to any serivce. That is WRONG no matter how you look at it. I am fighting regulation in our everyday lives!!!! I have been doing this my whole adult life and will continue to do so. Requiring a license to use radio equipment that I paid for with my own money is regulation!!! I guess that I have got all you thinking and responing to all my posts so I am done with this and I hope that all of you are seeing where I am coming from. Again I was there and saw the equipment go out the door and into the van, and I , have the right to ask for id from any person that is involved in this type of action at any time. I did not "demand" I simply asksd as they were removing personal property, by law they are requiried to produce thier id to anyone that asks. You sir have much to learn about you :FREEDOM" if you think that I do, Sir i welcome them to my home as does my lawyer, I have had contact with the FCC befor and they has not been able to carry out thier "actions" because I have not stood for it without standing my ground. They dont even"bother" me as they found out years ago the the courts are not going to go for such trival cases. Thanks to Copper for allowing me this forum to voice my opion and again I have no animosity toward any one. I just want you all to think about your personal freedoms and fight to keep them free!!!!   Dimstar Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 8:17 pm:        You are right Freezerman. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing that alot of people in this country take for granted.   Ncrebel Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 9:18 pm:        Hey I gotta idea,why don't we all trash our radios and turn into computer nerds,then we wouldn't have to worry about freebanding or FCC rules and regulations anymore,no wait we can't do that,if we get into a chat room a fight might break out.Thats no problem,go to our own private chat room we'll think,it won't be filled and we can talk privatly.Oh no,somebody looked us up on search and found our chat room..oooooo they're pirating our chat room!!!We'll just get another chat room.."HA!" we'll say,"We'll just make another chat room".After a while the internet fills up with trashy bandwidth and everything is SSLLLLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW and unpleasant to use.What will we do then?Trash our computers?Come on people why can't we JUST HAVE OUR HOBBY?!?!!?If I want my ham lisence then I'm gonna get my ham lisence.With ham I can use up to 1000 watts of power that I'll probally NEVER need, and I'd already have a cb radio so why would I need to do anything illegal to talk?If you don't do anything illigel then you won't have to worry about the FCC.Instead of fussing and bickering about what the FCC can and can't do why don't we try preserving something worth fussing about like keeping our fishin holes from being polluted and keeping our ATV and 4 wheel drive 4 wheeling areas from being shut down?Change of subject people please!I'm not going against people giving their opinion but this topic has gotten pathetic. Freezerman,if you wanna preserve or rights go fight for our 2nd ammendment.I'm sure you guys would be great to talk to I'd I'd happily wave a hand at you anytime but lets give it a rest guys can we? Unit 168 "Timberwolf" Eastern North Carolina And I'm back copying da mail.   Freezerman Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:00 pm:        Thank you Dimstar that is all that i have been doing and will continue to do. I hope you enjoy your "ham" . FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!!!!!! I may not agree with what you say BUT I will defend to the death your right to say it Thomas Jefferson Thanks to you all for your input Freezerman   Funtimebob Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:37 pm:        I gave up CB 15 years ago when I moved from Cincy to A small town in KY and had no place close to get replacement parts. Radio Shack was 20 miles away and hadn't carried replacement Finals in bubble packs for years. I started doing some of my own simpler repairs when I was 14. Started getting into the technical end when I decided it wasn't worth a long Bus trip just to get a Mic wired and moved up from there. Last summer I finally decided to put a CB in my Vehicle for a vacation trip. In the Mean time I have been considering going for my Ticket and dont live far from the Dayton HAmfest. I know I can pass the Written but have taken a break on the Code. the MFJ Morse trainer comes in Handy. So far I have almost completely assembled a vintage tube HF setup and have almost finished retubing in all RCA NOS. theres nothing like the glow of tubes in the shack. for those that know the numbers (Long time Hams) SX-111mk1,R-48, HT-37, HA-1,DN-50/tup9,raic 1:1, and a barker & williamson switchover   bruce Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 9:41 pm:        i just gave away a collens 75a2 and ht37 you have a real treasure nice stuff enjoy it bruce   Funtimebob Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:33 am:        Thanks, Now if I can only finish getting that code down   USA194 Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:17 pm:        Heres one to add to the paranoia: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/15/eveningnews/main509140.shtml   Freezerman Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 10:41 pm:        See what have I been telling you !!! Click on that link above and you will see how strong you "rights" are HA!!   BIG FOOT Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 2:24 pm:        gonna take more than that to scare me off my LEGAL cb radio.. (try again )...remember " in most cases " listening is FREE but TRANSMITTING is just an OPTION.... .. when YOU talk others learn about YOU when others TALK you learn about THEM....radio should be FUN BIG FOOT   Bone Daddy Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 2:55 am:        I'm never gonna get a ham license 'cause a friend told me they FCC has installed computer microchips in all ham radios and can track you down where you live. Also I hear you have to pay the FCC $100 for a license. No way, man. I'm keeping my money and running on Freeband forever.   Don123 Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 12:11 pm:        Again we need to tell the truth and back up our statements up with facts..... Ham Radio is FREE (unless the VE Ham test sites charges $10.00 test fee but that goes for the VE team and test materials) and you do not have to pay the FCC anything for a license.......there are also no chips in radios to tell you where you are at, your signal will tell anyone where you are at no matter if on CB or Ham (and again they only are looking for those that are not following the rules or laws). The link from the CBS site has nothing to do with Ham or CB unless you might make statements of threatening someone or our National Security so yes those people that will cause America or American citizens harm should be checked out.....REMEMBER 9-11 !!!! We all make choices on what we like to do and again I for one like Radio in general and use both CB and Ham but these statements trying to paint Ham Radio in a negative matter just are not the truth and those really interested in Ham Radio, more band space and different modes should give Ham Radio a try in addition to the CB. 73 and have fun Don123   Bone Daddy Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 2:58 pm:        How can you guys make out ham radio to be so great when the FBI guy that was busted for spying on the US for the communinist Russians was a ham? Also, didn't the TV reporters say that terrorists used ham radios to communicate with each other and pass messages in some kind of code? Isn't that why all the ham radio guys are always talking in morse code and using weird lingo? I'll stay on Freeband and run my linear all the way up! They can never get me 'cause I'm mobile! See ya, FCC!   Bigbob Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 4:58 pm:        A friend of mine got a galaxy saturn turbo,used it to talk on 26.815 am back and forth to work base to mobile.Two weeks he was bored and took his tech. exam and passed it ,came over and started bragging he was now licenced for 1500 watts.So I said what ya gonna do and he said I dunno,my wife wont let me buy another radio,HA-HA-HA!!!   USA194 Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 5:09 pm:        Bone said: "Also, didn't the TV reporters say that terrorists used ham radios to communicate with each other and pass messages in some kind of code? Isn't that why all the ham radio guys are always talking in morse code and using weird lingo? " This makes no sense. Are you trying to say that Ham Operators are terrorists and that CW is used to "hide"? Morse code is not a secret and not all hams use it. The thing about amateur radio is that, at any given time, there are bands available to reach virtually anywhere, whether you want to tap, type, televise or talk. You have no idea how much the "freeband" is used by drug runners, smugglers, paramilitary groups and other ne'er do wells. If all you care about is running a linear on 11m to prove how big your radio setup is, fine. It might be impressive in that realm, but not at all to any serious ham. Don't knock amateur radio until you try it.   N8fgb Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 7:17 pm:        Ham radio is a trained pool of radio poerators ready to respond whenever there is a desaster or emergancy.Ham radio ops were at the WTC on 9 11.As far as FCC not knowing where you are,HA HA,it takes 12 seconds to pinpoit you. Rich N8FGB ARES/RACES   BIG FOOT Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 7:44 pm:        ..... let us PLEASE not put all CB radio operators OR amateur radio operators or freebanders in ONE group/// there are GOOD hearted folks and dirty rotten scum in all of them... remember radio should be FUN but be as ready as you can for the unexpected... some day we may need to rely on the SCUM to pass an important message..... enjoying life to ( nearly ) the fullest BIG FOOT   Bone Daddy Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 9:13 pm:        Yeah, but you can't deny the FBI guy was a ham can you? He gave the Russians all kinds of secretes for years. So whose worse? Some top level FBI ham guy giving away secretes or me and my Freeband radio?   bruce Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 9:37 pm:        YOU HAVE IT WRONG THE FCC IS GOING TO REQUIRE ALL EXPORT RADIOS AND CB SETS TO HAVE A CHIP THAT TALKS TO A GPS SATALITE GIVES YOUR LOCATION SO THAT THEY CAN MAIL THE FINE.IF YOU BELEVE THAT JUNK ABOUT HAM SETS THEN LETS GO THIS FAR..... GEESE WHERE ARE THESE GUYS HEARING THIS JUNK. BRUCE   Freezerman Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 9:51 pm:        You still dont get it!!!! I have tried "it" and "it" is a bunch of whooey. Ham radio is a "closed" organization!!!!. To be in "it" you have to be able to take thier "test" That is what all restrictive groups do. I just got back from the :Hamvention" in Dayton. I was listening to some "hams" trashing CBers,chicken banders, as they called it. When ihad heard enough I steped in to ask them why they talked about CB that way. I was asked if I was a "chicken bander" when I answered yes I was given a long talk about how cb ers were lowlives that had no brains and were to dumb to do anything else. One even went into that " breaker breaker good buddy" cornpone accent. When i stated my view on "ham" radio, they called security,who just happened to also be "hams" and I was ask to leave the grounds. I protested and the Police were called to come and escort me out, I also protested to them. When it wass all over I was still there because the Dayton police told them that as long as I was not causing a problem I had as much right to voice my views as the "hams" did. I took several names and the Dara Organization and several individuals will hear more from my Legal representive. SREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!! STAY LICENSE FREE!!!   Freezerman Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 10:51 pm:        OOOPps too worked up to even spell right!!!! FREEBAND FOREVER !!!!!!! Well duh On me!!!   BIG FOOT Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:00 am:        ...we all like RADIO ( different reasons and different ways of communicating )...why can we not just get along ? some day we may have another national emergency where the "heroes " are using FREEBAND or a crystal type 2 meter handheld to transmit important messages from point A to point B.. or even a uniden 510 cb radio on a magnet mount antenna to relay messages across town....let us not all get too "high and mighty " in our own little worlds...radio is supposed to be FUN BIG FOOT   Funtimebob Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 1:25 am:        The Security being Ham Operators is BULL. I live in dayton and the company which does the Security work IS Merchants Security Service Inc, 2015 Wayne Avenue, Dayton. Try again   Don123 Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 3:45 am:        We have more in common than we have differences!! I agree with Bigfoot that we should enjoy life and everyone has to choose their own path....some feel comfortable being on freeband and that is fine but again there is a legal FREE way in getting more band space if one wants to go outside the regular 40 channel CB. And yes you are right Freezerman that there is sometimes too much regulation but without any regulation (that is if you where into radios back in the 60's and 70's) then you can see what can happen without it....a mess...everyone does what they want to do however they want to do it....therefore no one has any rights and the ones that gripe the most about wanting everything FREE would be the first to get a lawyer and say my rights have been violated. Again most these statements are false about Ham radio and are not backed up by any facts but ones feelings......although if what happened at Dayton is true then shame on them and most people are not that way....but then again why do you try to provoke such things? I again have been a CBer for many many years and I would fight tooth and nail over my rights to talk on my CB or keep my CB friends amd again some of my CB friends are interested in Ham radio and that is fine by me but some folks on this forum are not stating facts at all and many peope read this and think some of this stuff is true and it is not the case at all. We all have rights but remember those who died for this great country to have the devine right to think whatever we want and to state our opinion.....we are so lucky to have that right. There are places in this world where stating ones views or even owning a radio would be grounds for death.....and some of you want to argue.....over what......Freeband or Ham Radio...who is right or wrong? I for one remember when we had respect for each other and CB was a good thing and Ham Radio too for all that goes....it is ashame that a few can give both such a bad name at times. So again we have more in common that we have different and please if you post something have references, links, or facts so people know that you are not blowing smoke because most folks are smarter than just reading something and thinking it is true. I am one of those good ol boys you have to show me before I have any faith in what you are saying. I also believe in my fellow man, my county, and God......seems some of you may not these days. Don123   Freezerman Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:40 am:        Thats fine. All i know is when i asked them if they were hams they said yes. I know what I was told and I am sure you dont. If you were not there the you cant speak of what happened. I was told that I was not "allowed" to speak my views about "ham" radio. When I told them that I was just exercising(sp) my right to Freedom Of Speach, I was told that "not here you dont" . I am just telling you all what happened. FREEBAND FOREVER!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!!! Stay LICENSE FREE!!!! STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!!!!   Lou Cypher Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 5:53 pm:        What the heck is going on here? There's a lot of fear and loathing going on with this thread re: free speech, freebanders, FBI, GPS tracking of transmitters and other nonsense. I think some people are just set in their ways and if they can't get what they want, then they snipe at everyone else. As far as free speech, freebanders can put down hams and vice versa. If you can't walk it like you talk it, and your ego gets bruised, then stand aside. You can't please everyone, nor should you try to. The FBI ham is a bad example of ham radio, like drunk drivers are a bad example of the other 99% of the drivers on the road. There's good and bad in every crowd, so lighten up a bit, Bone Daddy. I've worked in communications for 12 years and have had an opportunity to ride with an FCC agent tracking down a repeater that went spurious. Let me put it to you this way: if they want you, they can get you. No, it doesn't involve computer chips in your radio...all it takes is a directional antenna and a spectrum analyzer among other things. I would say that 90% of the people that are caught violating the rules is due to their own fault. They get cocky, belligerent or they think no one is paying attention. Extreme actions result in extreme reactions.   Freezerman Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:02 pm:        Well there it is. and I quote "if they want you , they can get you" Oh please dont start. When will you all "see the light?" Your personal freedoms only go as far as the Feds want them to. I got a call from The Dara ppl today and was told that I had as much right to voice my views as the next person.I thanked them for calling me and I still informed them that I was looking into harrassment and denial of rights charges. The Security Firm is also going to be named. FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!! STAY LICENSE FREE!!!! STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!!!   Galileo Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 8:49 pm:        All im going to say is, there are good hams, and bad hams as there are with every other walk of human life....The same is true for all of us law breaking freebanders...I know quite a few hams who also use the CB, and other radio services...As for the test I for one am glad there is a test..If you dont want to take the test Dont..It is your right..I AM going to take the no code tech test, but I will continue to use my export radio...My father was a ham, and he bought me my first CB back in the 70's..I hear just as many freebanders trashing the hams as the other way around....I for one think our love for radio should unite us, not seperate us...   BIG FOOT Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 2:15 pm:        .... this could be as important as the statement " we agree to dis agree " or " do not go away MAD, just go away ".... we all like our radios and we should UNITE on that part...( GALILEO is right !! ) BIG FOOT   Freezerman Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 5:15 pm:        You can enjoy your radios but do it free of regulation!!! I want you all to "see" what you give up when you apply for that ham license!!!   Don123 Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 4:37 am:        I guess I still don't get it then....What are you giving up? And how are you making us see this? I see ramblings but no clear documentation to back up any of the claims that one is giving up anything or that if someone gets a Ham license you are subject to the FCC or the Feds coming in your home and taking all your equipment with no cause at all. Or maybe now they know where you are located..humm...I think anyone that might cause a stir in any city that the authorities have an idea where the trouble makers are if they are CBers, Hams or just the normal NoRadio guy. Where do you find this? I think by using both a CB or Ham Radio the person in control of the station by just using the service agrees to follow the rules and the rules state that the FCC can request station inspections...both CB or Ham...so what are you giving up? http://wireless.fcc.gov/prs/citzn.html http://www.reactintl.org/rules-cb.htm http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/ http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr97_01.html And I know a response from a few will be that you don't follow the rules and that is your choice but the facts are that there are rules for using CB and Ham Radio (as in anything in life...guide lines and rules to protect those that use the service as equals and those that might not use the service from harm) and again by having equipment in your control if you do not follow the rules then the FCC can ask for a station inspection if they have information or evidence that there are violations that have occured. If it was as easy as you stated that anyone with authority (police, FCC, Feds, etc) could just come in your home then there would be many violators with a whole lot less equipment to do any violations but that is not the case (and unfortantly many of the voilators/law-breakers have more rights than those of us law abiding folks....funny how some of them have no money to pay taxes to help provide for what they use and support their community but they have funds for lawyers). One has to give permission to come in and check and if none granted then a search warrant will be next and many times that is already in hand if the evidence of violations have been already documented. So these false statements without any documentation to back them up just are false.....show me some links where someones rights were violated without any cause. Again you are not giving up anything when you apply for a Ham license....it is FREE just like a CB license is. And just like CB if a Ham violates the laws/rules they are prosecuted just the same. I would assume anyone wanting to get a Ham license are truely interested in radio and communications and therefore wanting to learn more about just that.....so yes tests are given to help you both learn and know how to operate a radio station. If anything you are NOT going to give up anything but gain many things! http://www.eham.net/newham/whathamsdo http://www.remote.arrl.org/hamradio.html http://www.area-ham.org/library/hamsdoo/hamsdoo.htm Hams have better repeater coverage than most cell phones....and again it is FREE: http://www.artscipub.com/repeaters/ You can communicate via Satellite: http://www.amsat.org/ One more thing in regards to the Dayton Ham fest.....I was not there and again I am sorry if your rights were violated and Hams treated you badly...sometimes things are black and white to many people...most Hams will not except illegal operation...that being said why would you go to Dayton one of the biggest Hamfests in the world and talk Ham Radio down? Again two wrongs does not make a right...the Hams should have handled you with respect and you also should have done the same. That would be like a KKK member going to a Martin Luther King Jr parade and standing on the head float....would not be very smart...and thank God we have a nation that one can speak ones own mind but thank God also that only a few follow some of these peoples ideas. If you really want freebanding and more band space for CB then do it the correct way and get the thousands of folks that use these frequency's to write their Congressmen and lobby to make it legal...there are thousands of operators that would love to make that happen...so why not put your energy to better use and do just that? Again I do agree with you on the goverment having a few too many regulations and rules at times ...but when we get to no rules at all then we have ALL lost. I also again say I use a CB everyday and have made lots of friends over the years and I know where you are coming from and was very happy when they went from a few channel radios to 23 then to 40 so maybe with all the operators it is time for more band space but I think you being surprised when a Ham might say that you are running illegal frequency's, or causing interferance of the 10 meter band...that should really be no surprise as you already know that. 73 Don123   FREEBANDER Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 8:15 am:        Sad to see all those techs treated like dirt on the ham bands and boards,also let me respond to N8fgb, it takes less than 12 seconds to find a ham operator with your posted call sign and address. Freebander is a free man!! I don't mind letting the FCC know where i am! FRED IN GREENSBORO NC!!! keeping it free!!! sorry it has been a while , computer problems! FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEER   Freezerman Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 10:39 am:        Freebander is right!!!!! That is why i am a license free radio op. Why should the FCC have access to my personal info just to use the radio spectrum? I talk where I want when I want free!!!! FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!! STAY LICENSE FREE!!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!!! I think that those of you that are hiding your eyes should wake up!!!!!   BIG FOOT Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 10:58 am:        .... DON 123...you are wasting YOUR time arguing with FREEZER MAN and FREE BANDER...like trying to get blood out of a turnip....they are ALWAYS right ( even when wrong, they are STILL right )...but I do appreciate the different web sites you did mention, will check them out my self in due time..." having FUN with my LEGAL cb, and all is FINE " (( GOD bless the U.S.A. )) !! BIG FOOT   Alsworld Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 2:28 pm:        FREEBANDER and Freezerman, you guys have made your point. It's been a valuable thread but now it's getting old because the same debate is repeating over and over. I don't see it progressing any further. FREEBANDER, glad the computer is fixed. On earth, some eat their young. Older "Extra Class" Hams are rough on techs, especially no code technicians. Rougher on CB'rs. I do not believe those "INDIVIDUALS" they are helping recruit new Hams or encouraging CB'rs to get their ticket. Why not? I don't know. It truly is discouraging to those who want to get their ticket. However, and luckily for us, the Hams on this site don't treat us like ••••, but encourage and help. As for government regulations, you've tied that and Ham radio all into one. Yes you've made great points about the restrictions we have, and the benefits of not getting a license. BUT, how much longer is this thread going to go on? You have given everyone something to think about but it won't change everyone's mind. But maybe a few?? who knows... I say enough of this thread. It has served it's purpose as a wonderful expression from many points of view but I see it getting nowhere now. Amateur radio consist of CB's as well as Hams, licensed or not. Coppers forum serves both media as it should. I hope we can all agree to that.   Galileo Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 7:38 pm:        Freezerman, You give up nothing, and you do have alot to gain...I can hardly wait to take my test, just for the satisfaction of knowing I could do it..But if you dont want a ham ticket dont get one, but for others interested, GO FOR IT......As far as the FCC having info, the same as the state when you drive, or when you fish.....No big deal to me, I have nothing to hide...Hell when you get a job, you use a SSN, which has info about you..Just about everything these day invades your privacy, but with out the FCC, there would alot more radio chaos than there is now....Think about it people transmitting wherever they wanted...Just my 2 cents....   Freezerman Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:38 am:        I wish you all well in your future endevors. I am saying that "ham" is not for me and all I have been doing is tring to get you "all" to see that each little bit that you give up is one more lost. Please read the posts. The goverment does not get taxes from me!!! I refuse to pay them I have no ssan so I dont have to worry about it. I drive ,but I have no drivers license!!! I am NOT required by the Constitution to have one. I own my own busness and pay no taxes . We were told by the founding Fathers of this great country that , we are free of unjust taxes!!!! Any tax is unjust!!! If you want to know more the let me know and I will inform you FREEBAMD FOREVER!!! FIGHT REGULATION!!! STAY LICENSE FREE!!!   Don123 Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 6:02 am:        I wish all well also (I would never wish anyone harm) and it is great we live in a country were we can disagree but still talk issues...but again I have to say that some of these statements being made are false statements and some of the Federal Reg issues you can either agree with or disagree as to what you believe in...that is your right but...... It was said that Freezerman and Freebander made their point as for government regulations and Ham radio all into one....that you've made great points about the restrictions Hams have, and the benefits of not getting a license....humm...again I don't agree nor did I see anything that made any sense at all other than don't let the feds have your SSN or any information (they already do anyway), don't pay taxes, don't follow rules, don't become a Ham, don't get a driver license, etc etc and the big one FREE FREE. They have provided no good information at all in regards to these issues...and why is their main focus on government regulations about Ham radio or CB radio anyway....Ham Radio is about good will and communication just like CB.......I listed above in my previous post links for both the CB and Ham FCC regulations and there is nothing said true in any of the statements they have made......we have almost identical rules and rights on each if you went and really read them.....also, if you are doing nothing wrong then why would the FCC or anyone look you up....enjoy your radio! So here we get to the meat of it....what do they really believe in..well the last post tells you that....NOTHING! They have made it very clear their views over and over I will give them that.....so look at ALL their posts and you will see they love....again Nothing.....and make it clear what they do not want to do nor will do... pay any taxes or have any laws or rules.........FREE FREE.....that is easy to say but nothing in life is truely FREE.....not even CB..you have lots of money tied up on gear so for sure that was not FREE and lots of time invested and that goes the same for Ham also......and having this nation FREE was not given to us either.....thousands of people gave their lives for us to live FREE from other nations that might have us have strick rules, religions and hardships they have to put up with daily......so don't throw around this FREE word so easily. So if I have this correct from all your statements you have listed you have a problem with these items........ Taxes - you don't want to pay any taxes....just everyone else has to pay them for the services you use....I am sure you use Public roads with your cars you drive without a drivers license....I am sure your kids went to Public Schools.....I am sure your house sits on Public land that uses Public water and sewer or has Public Parks and Police protection and Public Courts so you can use your lawyers......so yes...you are right you use nothing at all so we will pay for all that why should you? Laws - you don't believe in them I guess....but you do believe in the Constitution (see below about the Constitution..your bible you have been throwing about) you believe in just some of the sections or all of them? Don't need a license to drive so that car is most likely uninsured since you don't think you should pay for anyone elses damage if you were to cause any....that is OK all of us will pick up the tab for you with higher insurance premiums....and if you get into too much trouble if you were to have an accident and not be insured we will pay for your lawyer to so you can defend yourself against a lawyer we have to pay for. Our United States Military - you stated you never inlisted to Defend our Great Nation...why does that not surprise me......but yes we will pay for your protection also even with our lives if we have too. Ham Radio - just can't stand Ham Radio and it is not for you.......I have to agree with your statement that it is not for you because there are some guidelines and structure that you might have a problem with. So again tell the truth when you put out your statements.....here is a link to the Constitution and your rights and your Tax questions......so maybe somewhere out there you can find something to uphold all your statements you made but I don't see any truth in anything you said so far. http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html Taken from this link......note why we pay taxes......I don't by your statements at all....here it is straight from the sorce....so do your homework or at least know what you are talking about. Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; Which gets us back to the start of our Constitution which I wonder if you have ever read: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. I again just want you to speak the truth and in having a Ham license you are giving up nothing .............and not all Hams are how you would like to paint them at all so again speek the truth or back your statements up with some facts. Don123   bruce Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 1:36 pm:        This is from the ARRL website it cought my eye and since so much has been said about tech license or not. NOW he had a license at some point i thought you all would like to see one " freebander" (look alike) who got cought. Well this one is diffrent if you look who ever this guy is he is so stupid that when he bootleged his system wasnt even the standard 600 khz split. DOH! at least be smart enough to look like everyone else... and geese while im on it get a name that i can pronounce. April 16, 2002 Mr. Zbigniew J. Kolodziejczak 19 Marwood Drive New Britain, CT 06053 Subject: Warning Notice--Unlicensed Amateur Radio Operation Dear Mr. Lolodziejczak: Monitroing information before the Commission indicates that you are operating an Amateur repeater system in your area without a license. Our records indicate that your license expired in November 2001. The repeater input frequency is 144.98 MHz, and the output is 147.48 MHz. Please be advised that operation of radio transmitting equipment without a license is a violation of Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 301and will subject you to fine or imprisonment, as well as an in rem seizure of radio transmitting equipment, in cooperation with the United States Attorney for your jurisdiction. Fines normally range from $7,500 to $10,000. You are requested to contact me at 717-338-2502 to discuss this matter.   Freezerman Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 8:07 pm:        Don , Thank you for you comments. I hope that you see my point. Yes you are right. Read closer, "fair and just taxes" Taxes are NOT just. My statement ARE backed up Read the Bill of Rights. I do not now or will in the future pay any taxes of any of my income. If you wish to that is up to you. I shall now and forever stay tax and license free!! You still dont get it. The goverment is going to increase you taxes till finally even you "SEE" I am NOT going to carry this any futher as I have done what I started out to do GOT YOU ALL THINKING!!!!! When you got that "ham" tickeyt you gave up your right to reasonablesearch and ssizure. STAY LICENSE FREE!!!!! FIGHT Regulation!!!!!   bruce Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 10:25 pm:        Frezzerman i think i have just the person for you to e-mail your thoughts too rholling@fcc.gov   Galileo Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 10:57 pm:        Well I am dissapointed that my message was not able to be posted...But I do understand..I must say I do agree with most all of what DON123 had to say....   Don123 Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 11:56 pm:        Again back your statements up with facts....you have yet to do that. I only post again so that you don't by chance have a few younger folks actually follow your lead on this issue you feel so strongly about. I again have no problem with you enjoying your radio however you do that but I again have to correct you on your false statements. So lets get into the Bill of Rights then....please go here and read them incase you might have forgot what they pertain: http://constitution.by.net/uSA/BillOfRights.html http://constitution.by.net/uSA/AfterTenAmds.html The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (you see they have to have probable cause!!!) The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. (no one should have any trouble to pay for what they use....you pay taxes even now when you buy gas for the car, your supplies for your business, when you go to the store, when you pay any bills, etc...so if you really believe you are not paying any taxes at all you are wrong again...but again your statement must be something you made up as I do not see any documentation on it) And again back to the Constitution and why we pay taxes..... Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; And here is a nice clip on your subject too: WASHINGTON -- Think you can get away with not paying income taxes? The Internal Revenue Service says you better think again. In a 25-page legal summary, the IRS attempts to debunk many of the most common legal arguments against paying taxes or filing returns. Some of these schemes are marketed by promoters for a fee, but taxpayers who sign up could be left holding the bag. "Some enrich themselves at the expense of their followers, who find they have no legal ground to stand on when they follow this bad advice," an IRS statement says. Federal courts can impose a penalty of up to $25,000 if a taxpayer's argument is deemed frivolous. The summary, "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments," is available on the IRS Web site (http://www.irs.gov <http://http://www.irs.gov>). Some highlights: Paying taxes and filing a return is not purely voluntary, even though taxpayers are permitted to determine their own tax and fill out the IRS forms. The 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which instituted the income tax, was properly ratified by the states. The income tax is not a government "taking" of property without due process of law. Definitions of such basic terms as "taxpayer," "United States," "person," or "employee" cannot be manipulated in ways that exempt someone from paying taxes. Income means what it appears to mean. Some people have tried and failed to assert that wages, tips and other compensation are not income, that income refers only to money from a foreign source and even that Federal Reserve notes are not actually currency. Beware of packages or trusts involving some or all of these arguments that purport to remove individuals from the federal tax system. Steep penalties and interest can apply. The IRS is concentrating its tax compliance resources on these tax avoidance schemes, says Commissioner Charles Rossotti. "It may take us a while, we may have less resources than we had, but we're really focusing on the people who are abusing the system," he said. "They're going to be sorry, because we're getting to them." So again back your statements up with facts....Hams and CBers have the same rigts and similar rules and your statements are false. Also you got me thinking for sure.....if it was not for the Americans that do pay taxes, follow the laws and support the system there would be no America but maybe that is what you would like and we can become FREE to do what ever we want like in these other 3rd world countries that have nothing. Don123   707 Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 2:51 am:        The sky is falling   Cuddlebear Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 5:19 am:        Hmmmm, Just a thought here. But you claim to not pay taxes. If you were doing what you claim to be doing you'd be hauled away so fast your head would spin. Who are you trying to convince? Us, or yourself? You claim you own a bussiness.. Ok. But the Government has this info already from State and County Records. You pay county taxes on your property (if you own your house) And don't even try to tell me you don't pay either! I knew a guy like you once. He tried that stuff too. Not only did they take his house and land away from him but good old "Mr. Iwontpaynostinkintaxes" is doing 10-15 right now for Tax Evasion. Besides, you do pay taxes wether you admit it or not. That illegal car you drive. You buy Gas, Gas Tax. You buy stuff in the store. Taxes. Everything you buy has a tax stamped on it. There are so many holes in your story it don't hold water. Give me a break!   bruce Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 9:13 am:        galileo seems we are the only 2 out here who have nice things to say! and 707 you got that right.   G-Man? Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 3:32 pm:        Along with making everyone here think the other thing Freezerman might have done is sparked an investigation. Squeeky wheels get greased.