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Nomeancity
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Post Number: 56
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 5:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since all here use puters & radios, is it possible we could help each other with our computer problems,Im kinda slow on em, but after a few years, common sense & babying a piece of junk puter that has to be babied to stay going,I'd read the topics .
I dont know much about computers, but I sure could ask some stupid questions.

Just wondering if any one is interested.
I may be way off base here.
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Jon666
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Post Number: 235
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 2:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

go for it i am very knoligable
with computers i have three of them
i i built myself so i can pretty much anwser
any questions you may have
and thats not! being stupid
thats why we are all here
to help each other
jon the computer geek hehe
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Geekster
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 6:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thinking of an upgrade? I built a few here and there. Did the computer repair business for awhile but mainly develop websites now. Been around computers for quite some time, still have my Commodore 64 if that tells you anything.

:-)
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Nomeancity
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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 9:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JON666, Geekster,
All I know about em is,we bought a cheap 700 meg processer with 64mb of ram puter 5 years ago, & with only a 10 gig hard drive , But i'll have to admit I've kept it going "ok" for what it is by just being particular of what programs go on it.
Had a 256 memory stick in it for a while but a few months later,it started freezin up like it did when it was new,(a real pain till I found out how to go to msconfig & turn off a lot of stuff.
So when it started freezin up again, I had too much advice for what to do,A few said ,it's the memory,so I yanked the 256 out & it's ok for now except for this stupid thing that keeps coming back in the toolbar up top under search. Instead of being able to use the search engines I want to select, I occasionaly get / Starware search / coming up instead of my choice of search engines like msn,overture.lycos, ect. My deleted something twice & ran an adware search & got rid of it in the registery, But SHEW! it comes back in several days or so.
No real big deal cause I rarely use search engines outside yahoo & msn which I find on homepages ,but its just I dont liked being hijacked.
Cant really figure where it comes from cause I usually empty temp internet files & cookies when I restart anyway.
Another thing is ,starware search wont search anyway,I've typed stuff in it & it just sits there like me, wondering what to do.

The only other thing i'm having trouble with is trying to close ads like I used to online with dialup,Now I have cable & i'm not that fast,It drops cookies before I can stop em.
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Geekster
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 7:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok,

You will need to clear this program from the registry. You can look for a registry cleaner or you can do it manually using the regedit command in run. Select start/run/type in regedit.

Then hit Ctrl+F (Ctrl and F key at the same time) this will bring up the search. Type in starware and see what it brings up. Delete any keys that are within the folder that shows up on the left hand pane. You may have to hit F3 a few times to keep searching. If the program still gives you fits you may try the msconfig command start/run/type in msconfig and disable the program from starting up.

You can also try a google search for "removing starware search bar".

Dont want to do that here is an easier solution. On the top of the address bar (grey area with no icons) right click and you should see the starware toolbar in the list uncheck it.

I highly recommend you find the program spybot search and destroy, it is a great program. Another is Adware 6.0 from lavasoft. Both are free. I use the google search toolbar it helps with the pop-up ads.

Didn't ask what O/S you had? 98SE? The memory issue... make sure you have the correct parity and speed. You can go higher than the bus speed without a problem. I wouldn't mix and match memory, and would recommend that you take out the 64MB stick and just go with one 256MB.

Let me know if you get the problem fixed.
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Pig040
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use Adware also, and I highly recommend it. We have come a long way from the days you used to have to type in your own code, havent we?
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Jon666
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

there u go
we are all here to help
ill keep checking in to
see if there are anwsers
to your questions the other guy
there is more qualified to awnser your questions
jon
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Nomeancity
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 5:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys, I'll get the wife to help me do that in the registry key,& i'm running windows me Geekster. I'll let you know how this turns out fellows * By the way geekster, it was the 256 memory stick I pulled out that was bad, So now i'm back to the original 64 that was in it new
Thanks all CC
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Geekster
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 7:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the more input for answers the better. I by all means do not know everything about PC's but just enough to be dangerous.

And yes ME is terrible for those kernel faults. I would try the spybot first it is much easier.

Let us know if that helps.
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Cuddlebear
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 8:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Geekster,

I still have a fuylly functional C64 with several 1541 drives and several 1541-II drives. I also have a CMD 1gig HD and a FD-2000 3-1/2 drive:-)

I have tons of stuff including a Diagnostic you plug in the C64 to check your chips etc. 500+ 5-1/4 floppies that have never even been formatted:-)

And it all still works!
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Dindin
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

boy ,heck of an evening to light up this thread/topic!been suffering the last couple days with a hijacker myself.spybot cant fix it and neither can spyware blaster.blaster can locate it but cant immunize for it.so I'm checking the new post on the forum before i formatt the hd and reload 98se.have a lot of work to do tomorrow and hope to have this done in time for the net Sunday.Incidently this is the second time this hijacker has corrupted mine and my sons computer.it comes from an active-x on Coke a Cola website where he participates in a gameroom for kids.wish me luck.
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Tech808
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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dindin,

Good Luck my friend and we hope you get it fixed by CEF Net Time.

Lon
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Nomeancity
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 1:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hello Lon & Dindin
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Nomeancity
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 1:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I gota agree,Refreshing your hard drive by reinstalling winows ME does make this thing run a lot smoother.,What program usually starts getting slow & crazy & practically telling me that its time to reinstall windows is Norton antivirus 2003,Just did reformat 5 months ago & before I reinstall, I'm gonna put more ram in it just to install a cd burner to keep a lot of my files & pics,
Question first though, what kind of memory stick did you say I should use , Got the old 256 here,So if I take it with me to the puter store, they should know what to give me .... right? hopefully?
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Moderator558
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 8:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just my 2 cents worth on WinBlows ME (Multiple Errors) I bought a new Gateway and it had the latest version of Winblows at that time which was version ME. :-( I had nothing but problems and errors and locking up and shut down problems and Gateway sent me 2 replacements and they each did the same thing I would reformat and I first started installing 1 program at a time until the problems popped up and as it turns out I had the problems right after a reformat and hardly anything was installed. I WAS READY TO TAKE IT OUT TO THE RANGE AND SEE IF THE OLE M1A WOULD HELP IT!!!!! Then a friend said install Windblows XP Pro, I said its not the O/S it is the PIECE OF JUNK computer!!! He convinced me to reformat and install WinBlows XP Pro he even let me install his full version he had (FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY) ;) and I have been running the computer for the last 2 years with NO PROBLEMS!!!

And if your looking for GOOD and CHEAP RAM go here

http://www.crucial.com/

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Tech237
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 9:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Pig040,
My first computer was programmed in binary - 8 switches for the addressand 8 more for the data.
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Geekster
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Arrgghh,

NO not Nortons... Do yourself a favor and take the Nortons out and go with AVG from Grisoft its fast, free, user friendly and works great. I have been using it for 2 years and have put it in several computers with great success.

Works decent on trojans too.

Memory will depend on the motherboard you have. If you know the name and model # go to http://www.crucial.com for the specs

then go to http://www.newegg.com to buy it.



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Jon666
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 3:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

GET RID OF WINDOWS ME
IT STINKS
THATS WHY ITS FREEZING UP
I BOUGHT THE FULL VERSON OF ME
ITS BEEN IT THE CLOSET BUT IT BELONGS IN THE TRASH
DO YOURSELF AND GET XP
JON
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Taz
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 4:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

237

All computers still use binary even today.


Jon666,

Windows ME is an O.K. operating system if you know how to handle it. If you abuse it, it will treat you badly.

I reccomend, if you want to upgrade from ME to find someone with a student ID and go buy it at a reduced price.

Taz
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Jon666
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 5:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

me is the worst verson of windows
ive eaver used
like i said i bought the full verson
cost me 198.00 and its in the closet
i used it about 2 days
i was so discusted with it
i went out and bought xp
it has not froze up since
i went to xp
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Dindin
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 6:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

well,got 'puter cleaned up for another three months or so.someday when i find what suites me will have to buy or build a new one.processor is to slow for some applications I use on here(dont laugh,166mhz)TurboCad v9.2 seems to be the most critical on here about proc.speed but it does function.Also has anyone out there tried using Spectran audio processor on their computer?if so what were the results?
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Dx431
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 6:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had Winblows ME before it hit the stores and it was ok then, but with time I got errors galore.Tried XP Pro, but it slowed my machine down and at the time I was running with 1g of memory.Uninstalled XP Pro and went to Win2k pro and have had no problems since.
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Tech808
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 6:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We had Windows ME in our laptop in the truck but only used it for Mapping programs and e-mails with no problems.

We run the Windows XP Pro here on the Home computer with the insight BB and have never even had 1 single problem.

Our computer is on 24/7/365 and so far we have not had 1 single problem.

It has been a very reliable program for us.

XP Pro

Lon & Shirley
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Cuddlebear
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 9:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't really have any problems with my Windows 98se.
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Bruce
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

666 I have win ME full ver and I agree with you go with XP if your machine will not handle it time to upgrade. Now my laptop is very old and i run win 98se but its used for programing my handlelds speed is not a problem
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Dx431
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Moderator558, I have baught several memory chips from Crucial with no problems. Talk about your fast delivery!.They gaurrantee your order at your door by noon on the second day. Now thats fast!
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Jon666
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

98 se was good also
the only one i did not like was me
i guess what it boils down to
is whateaver works right
jon
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Dindin
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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jon,couldnt agree more.have several computers operating in our house,everything from a win95 Acer laptop to a 5 month old Xp Dell.My favorite is this IBM e40 w/98se,128mb ram,8.2gig hd,166mhz AMD k-6 processor.does all i need it to do for now.If I had 600 to 1k$ to spend on a new machine,I would come nearer to looking at a big Kenwood sitting on the desk!
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Tech237
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Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 9:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taz,
They sure do but you missed the point - you had to program directly in binary, no floppy drives, CD driverx or even a keyboard. Just that little panel of switches.
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Pig040
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Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I run ME on my machine, and havent had any serious problems, I do run XP on my laptop, and I like it ok, but I dont want to replace some of the expensive programs I have on the mother ship, just to run xp. Some of them were several hundred dollars, and they wont run on XP without buying an update version. Especially the photo manipulation programs. Jon if you are going to throw ME away throw it my way!!
237, I used to buy a magazine once a month that published programs that you could enter into your machine, spend 2 hours entering, and you got hangman, or something simple like that, haha.
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Jon666
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Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

im in the process of moving
so everything is packed right now
when i get moved ill email you
ill give it to you
just wail a week or so
ill be in touch ok
jon
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Nlmadog
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Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 3:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My first computer experience was on a NCR Century III,you had use key punch cards for input. I agree people should be moving up to XP and dropping the 9x kernal stuff. I also thought most of the 9X stuff was fully optimized at 64 meg of ram ? My experience has shown better stability with 98SE than ME, across several of my client networks the ME workstations reqired more attention than the 98SE boxes,now with most of the workstations on XP I spend alot less time hearing about blue screen and lockups.
I do not think old computers will be worth much in the future,I have not seen an 8inch floppy for years and just threw out the last of the 5 1/4 medium,about 30 98SE disk sets and sent to the salvager about 20 P III and older computers.Seems new is everything and yesterday's stuff is just in the way.Now everyone wants flat panels,I am running out room to store the old tube monitors until I can get rid of them. The old days of computing have nothing on what we can do now. Truly amazing how much we have advanced in 20 years.
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Taz
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Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 8:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pig040, I believe you are speaking of the "tape" that you fed into the computer, that was basically replaced by the floppy disk.

Hollowpoint445: The compatabillity mode you speak of is actually changed on the target .exe files property screen ;)

Nlmadog: 64 megs? Thats a big time negative. O/S's dont have an "optimized" spot for memory usage. Don't get memory usage, and addresable memory mixed up, those are different. The amount of memory you use is all dependant on the applications you run on said machine. The sweet spot now for the slightly advanced home computer user is 512 Megs, in dual channel mode. Otherwise it's 756.

Now with the 64bit processors out, Windows XP 64bit edition, Windows 2003 server, Suse 64bit, and a few other operating systems are screaming on 64bit mode. Just wait and see how the Opteron and the Athlon 64 work out for home users.

Why do you think Intel quit making the Tejas chip? Because it was a waste of money when AMD already had a STABLE 64bit chip out that not only screams on 64bit, it smokes most others on 32 bit, and thats with 32bit emulation.. Intel tried this and it worked terribly, and took several Compaq Alpha engineers to even get an O/S to run on it even half way decently even on 64bit!.

To clarify about windows ME for all of you who are curious. Windows ME uses a HACKED version of the 9x kernel and a HACKED tcp/ip stack. It was thrown together way too fast, and wasnt out in beta testing long enough to work all the bugs out, so Win2K was the only newer alternative at the time until XP came out, which is basicly just Win2k, the same NT kernel with small upgrades, better NTFS support and targeted for the home user. But ask any network admin what O/S they maintain in theyre office and 90% of the time its going to be Win2k.

Windows ME is fine if you can handle it properly, don't abuse it, and use hardware and software that it "likes"..
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Lowpowerhal
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Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 8:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IBM punch cards, One wrong punch syntax error, 50 or so cards and a big nightmare. Doint want to think of those days, had to rewind magnetic tape and redo whole tape.This was in 1970's or so.I run windows xp, and still learning. My grandkids know more about running programs than me.But im still learning.Never to old to learn i guess.Funny thing is when our power gos out, still cant punch the time on the microwave oven.Its just sets there and flash. hehehe
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Pig040
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Posted on Monday, June 21, 2004 - 9:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cool Jon, Thanks.
Taz, The first machine I had didnt have any media, you had to type in the programs on the keyboard!
Rich