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FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 9:07 am: | 
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If you can post on qrz.com look at the post by MR.FREEDOM on the talk and opinions forum. If he will let you, put your commet with the others that feel like qrz.com has lost it's edge.Stand up for freedom!!!!!!
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEER |
kg4zzz
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 2:54 pm: |
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QRZ.COM
Is losing it's mind. Anyone that puts a thread on the forum that fred loyd and glenn don't agree with they ban them form the forum and take away there access.It happen to me. |
BATTLESTAR
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 2:57 pm: |
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THEY WOULDN'T LET ME GET IN, NO CALL SIGN.
EMAIL HIM FOR THE PASSWORD AND THEY BANNED ME. |
Kg4ryt
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 3:46 pm: |
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MAYBE THE REASON YOU WHERE BANNED IS YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARD HAMS AND HAM RADIO. I LIKE BOTH SITES AND ENJOY GOOD DEBATE. EVEN WHEN I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE, I CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. FREEBANDER YOU OPERATE ILLEGALLY AND SUPPORT ILLEGAL ACTIONS AND IF QRZ.COM ENDORSES THAT ATTITUDE ON THE FORUMS THEY WOULD BE GUILTY OF THE SAME. CLEAN UP AND DO RIGHT, OBEY THE LAW!
WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? |
Freezerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 5:30 pm: |
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I have been telling you guys all aling how "hams" are. Tell a "ham" that you are a cber and watch them look down thier nose at you. Stay free and license free
FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY LICENSE FREEE!!!!!!!!
FIGHT GOVERMENT REGULATION!!!!! |
bruce
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 6:50 pm: |
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makes me look reasonable ... scary |
Freezerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 10:29 pm: |
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Reasonable because you THINK SO. In a word NO. Regulation is regulation it comes in many forms, some more subtle than others. Haveing to have a license to talk on the radio is one. The next thing they will try to do is tax what you say through out the day. Email is under the gun now the goverment want to charge you for each one you send. All i can say is
FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY LICENSE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don123
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 10:35 pm: |
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Hi:
Acutally the QRZ site is a personal/single owned website....saying that (since no one that uses the site pays for the use) then the owner of that site has the right to use it anyway they feel or let anyone in or keep them out as they feel..the owner of the site is paying for it not the public or any user. I think many times some postes in forums have an agenda to carry out for whatever reason and it ruins it for all. Many simple questions in forums by users are never answered and many times are only reverted back to some king of agenda. The QRZ site is good information and again 98% of all that use it are good folks.....the General public, Hams, CBers, and SWL alike can get good information fomr this site. I think instead of maybe thinking so negative one might think it is nice to live in America and have the Internet at all in which on can express the FREEdom of ones opinons and information that many many countries do not allow.
73 Don123 |
bruce
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 7:18 pm: |
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freezerman do you have a drivers license ?
how about a plate on your car?
how about sales tax or do pay the tax on your home ?
insurance for liabilty ?
did you register for the draft?
do you put stamps on letters or just write on them THIS IS MY RIGHT NOT TO PAY A GOVERMENT TAX
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Freezerman
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 11:13 pm: |
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The answer to all the ? you ask In an emphatic NO
to all. I drive yes do you need to have a drivers license NO you do not . No where in the Constitution it says I need one!!! No i did not register for the Draft as is against my rights to force me to do so No I DO NOT pay tax on my home as I am a tax protester My wife has the car in her name . I do not pay for postage as I NEVER mail anything . Anything akse you want to ask???
FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!
STAY LICENSE FREE!!!!!!
FIGHT GOVERMENT REGULATION IN ALL ITS FORMS!!! |
Ncrebel
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 12:15 am: |
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How do you have a house if you don't pay tax?How come you aren't sittin in the local pen now if you don't pay nothin?I don't agree with the government taxing everybody (you shouldn't have to pay them if you don't want to).I just don't understand how you have anything if you don't pay taxes.Do you pay your bills?How do you send money to the power or phone company?Freedom is a great thing but if you do not have rules then you have no organization.People slap a high price on every-thing to make a profit.If it wasn't for freedon in this country we probally wouldn't be able to do that.We'd just been in a state of poverty. |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 8:02 am: |
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jUST LIKE I SAID, AND YES I'M BASHING THEM JUST A LITTLE BIT BUT SOME BODY NEEDS TO OPEN THE EYES OF CBERS AND HAMS A LIKE! READ THIS ON QRZ.COM
Non-code-amateurs - the consequences
Also to KG4RYT, JIM, why do you support them look how they treated you and all the no code techs. You are my neighbor in EDEN , what only about forty miles away?
I felt bad for you and the other no codes.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
Just standing on the truth! |
Freezerman
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 10:02 am: |
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Freedom is good regulation is NOT taxes are REGULATION!!! I pay all bills in person and always say my regulation speech each time. I have been arrested before for saying my feelings about regulation each time it is thrown out. Laws and regulation are NOT the same. |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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those whom are unwilling to abide by the rules, laws and regulations of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA are FREE to leave and go live, work and reside in which ever other country will put up with them...simply if you do NOT like the U S A , feel free to leave.....BIG FOOT |
Freezerman
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 1:52 pm: |
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I do abid by the LAWS but Laws and REGULATION are NOT the same!!!!!!!! Whose "rules"??? No ONE ever said I dont like the USA I love my country. I just think that the goverment REGULATES the people too much.
FREEBAND FOREVER!!!!!
FIGHT GOVERMENT REGULATION!!!!! |
Kg4ryt
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 3:01 pm: |
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FREEBANDER,
IT REALLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME HOW THEY TREAT ME. I GIVE AS GOOD AS I TAKE!
73'S KG4RYT
JIM IN EDEN NC |
Metro
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 7:00 pm: |
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Freezerman, a couple of questions for ya.
Do you have a Job? If so, what do you do?
Any other hobies other than the radio?
Do you have any kids?
Metro |
Freezerman
| | Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 11:22 pm: |
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Metro,
I have my own busness and befor you ask I do not pay any taxes from that busness, remember i am a tax protester! I build solar power cells so that me and my family are less dependant of pwr supplyed by the local pwr company. I now am using 40% of my own produced pwr. I have two grown children who are college grads who belive the same way I do. I hope to start a local group of ppl that have the same views
What else can I answer for you???
Freeband Forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fight Regulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Metro
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 1:15 am: |
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So I take it those kids went through the public school system?
Metro |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 9:02 pm: |
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---been reading the statements of others above here...scroll up... and it appears that FREE BANDER is in his own little world...that HE is always right, even when he is WRONG he is still right... it is a waste of time to disagree with those type of folks |
bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 4:15 pm: |
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Big Foot
I read through a pile of QRZ postings and the big gripe always comes down to " The freebanders " Now if the grip was them being INSIDE 10 meters ok i'll buy that but it seems few of the postings i looked at involved that. To be honest it looked to me like these guys would be complaneing if you hung them with a new rope. Also well know is the 75 and 40 again a small but vocal group. The FCC is as i write finding and fineing these opperators and the problems have been vastly reduced ... o' yes is has you would be amazed what it was like a few years back. See again this has NEVER been a class war i will VERY quickly put in his place any ham who tries that junk on me and damn few do and im "ONLY" a general (LIGHT)forgive me but the light i find amusing. QRZ has some good people who as some have corectly stated are sometimes shouted down ...another reason you will find me here this forum still seems to have a very wide and intelegent group of people and i have no doubt will continue too.
Think about this where else do you find CB and HAMS conversing and helping each other to this exstent?
Bruce |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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...yea BRUCE always right...never wrong...( a LEGAL version of FREEZER MAN ).... even when you are wrong you are right. |
Kg4ryt
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 9:20 am: |
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BRUCE,
VERY WELL SAID!!!!! THIS SITE HAS THE BEST OF BOTH HAMS AND CB OPS. |
dimstar
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 1:26 pm: |
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Freebander, if we didint have some sort of regulation, we would still be pouring sewage into ditches. Fight regulation or fight cholora ? |
FREEBANDER
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 1:47 pm: |
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BIGFOOT,
I'm in the real world!!!Where are you guys? |
BIG FOOT
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 2:59 pm: |
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..i AM in the real world too... but since I run a legal station ( do not get to talk as far or as often as the BIG GUNS )..I have NO worries of the strange vehicle down the street, or the folks with 3 - piece suits coming by asking me tomorrow what I did on april 22, 1988 on 26.855 Mhz or 27.555 Mhz...I do enjoy my radio as a HOBBY, I have noticed thru the years that the LOUDEST ones tend NOT to stay around as long on the air as the ( weak stations )...also that the LOUDER stations tend to ARGUE more, hold grudges against other LOUD stations, and generally stir up more "hate and discontent ".folks tend to " reap what they sow "...guess no one else notices that..........BIG FOOT |
Dimstar
| | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 5:26 pm: |
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BRAVO!!!!! |
DE
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 1:43 pm: |
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Ol freeze dude had better watch out or else he will be sent to jail for tax evasion. Which freeze dude is very definately a criminal offense. Just look what happend to Al Capone for failure to file income tax returns. |
Freezerman
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 11:17 pm: |
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O Please come and get me(wont work they have tried it 3 times and i was found not gulity each time) I even sued and they had to pay for my defence!!!!
Criminal for protesting an illeagal tax I DONT THINK SO!!! |
Phineas
| | Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 6:28 pm: |
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Freebander, and others.
Most of what you see on ham sites relating to CB anything is nothing but a bash. CBers, and hams will bash each other till the end of time. I, being a ham, that use to be out there on 11 meters, would like to make a few points...if I may.
1. Playing around out of band is illegal period. that goes for CBers, and hams. If you choose to operate illegally, that is your business, and if you wish not to be bashed, keep it to yourself.
2. Why would you go on a website knowing how hams are and promote freebanding? That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense at all. Unless you just like attention. Also, even if hams make up a good portion of the freebanders, they would not advertise it on a HAM website.
3. Why start a fight about something there is really no need to fight about. If you choose to operate your radio illegally, thats your business. Why impose your habits on anyone else.
4. I am starting to dislike QRZ.com more and more daily, however I know in the back of my mind that I can start a site of my own. Anytime I get ready. If you dont like the opinions and views on a site, start your own. Then you can chose who posts messages, and the content of yoursite. What better way to make your point of view than to have your own site.
5. 10 meters. I keep hearing people going back and forth about this issue time and time again. As a ham, I would prefer NON amateurs stay off of the band. However, if my radio is not tuned to 10 meters, I wont know whats going on there anyhow. It really baffles me how hams complain so much about a band that is hardly used.(I feel the same way about freeband actually.)
6. If you find yourself getting QSL cards, talking around the world, homebrewing equipment, participating in contests, trying to do PSK31, and morse code, etc....I think you should just go get your ham license. I was one of those people, that is why I went and got mine 
The fact is, if maturity, and the ability to be curtious came with age, rules would only be an age restriction.
Phineas
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409
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 2:11 am: |
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The Amish don't pay taxes and they have more money than all of us put together.......And NONE of them are currently in jail. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 6:58 am: |
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409,what do you mean,they believe render to god what belongs to god and render to ceasar what belongs to ceasar.We have menonites up here in michigan,they believe the same way,only they drive cars. |
409
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 4:47 am: |
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We have some of those too. But most of ours drive the old buggy pulled by the ole-horse. They have their own hitchen-post at the local Wal-Mart and run flea markets selling produce and crafts for their income. But they don't pay any income tax or property tax,social security,or medicare like the rest of us poor suckers do. The fed's don't even know they exist. They have their own community and no one knows what goes on there except them. Their religion exempts them from even having to purchase any kind of farm emblems for their buggys. Just don't try driving your tractor on the street without one. |
Bigbob
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 9:21 pm: |
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Prove it. |
409
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 4:43 am: |
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Don't have to prove it......the Amish work for many people around here hauling hay and other farm work and they ONLY work for CASH. If you ask them , they don't even kmow what income tax is .Anyone living in the South can tell you the same thing. We have a few break-away Amish who do drive cars and have electricity that do pay taxes and live a little more modern life, but there are just a few of them. It's common knowledge around here and the subject of a lot of conversation. |
Buck
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 7:20 am: |
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No the religion dosent exempt them from from having a SMV sign on their buggy...It is required by law to have them...even for the amish. Amish are not exempt from any laws. All of the ones around here have signs on them. Also, The only tax that the amish do not pay is social security but that is only if they are self employed..If they have a non amish employer they do pay social security. No amish collects social security, Welfare, medicare, medicade, or unemployment. But as far as taxes go they have to pay just like the rest of us. Property, State and Federal income taxes, county, sales and so on. If the amish didnt pay taxes life would move at a trot on alot more roadways |
409
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 3:02 am: |
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Ours don't.....we have asked them. They don't care to tell you..... |
Buck
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 9:57 am: |
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They may tell you that but to work for cash is the only way around it....They still pay property tax and sales tax. Only 2 things in life are sure......Death and Taxes |
Grumpy8220
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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I live in the heart of the Amish country in Lancaster County Pennsylvania, amish do pay sales tax! I ran a store for many years and all payed sales tax, they do not pay road tax to run their buggys. As far as property tax I am unsure of.
We have many mennonites in this area and they pay all the taxes as we do.
There are many amish owned and operated stores in this area that take credit cards as well as cash, so not all of their dealings are cash transactions.
The amish have their own medical insurance and do not pay social security taxes as I understand it. |
409
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 4:22 pm: |
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I won't argue the point since i asked them myself,i know they pay sales tax since it's hard to get around. But they only work for cash money. They have no record of income and pay no income tax at all. As for medical insurance,if and when they go to a doctor, they pay in cash only. The Amish in Tn. are quite a bit different than others nationwide since they live mostly by old customs and don't acknowledge modern society. They will tell you this if you ask. |
Buck
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right on grumpy....around here alot of the farmers hire amish to do construction work, roofing, ect. I find it hard to believe that the farmers pay cash for very much of their work because all of that is tax deductable. And believe me if a farmer can get a break, He'll take it |
Skullcracker
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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AMISH????What does this have to do with QRZ.com,guys you have derailed,and way off topic,besides hams are good people,and cb'ers are good people as well,but they're knuckleheads in every group,does'nt make them all bad,doe's it??? |
Peddler
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 5:30 pm: |
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Next thing you will read is it is illegal to pick your nose.
I read all this C$%& about freebanders, Hams CBer's etc. I look at it this way.
I'm not a Ham and will probilly never be for my own reasons.
I do respect the area of radio frequency that Ham's use and stay off.
I also feel that the Hams should respect that area that CBer's use whether it be in the freeband or true CB frequency.
Hams...If the freeband and CB area is so repulsive,,,then why go there?
Most Hams got their licence to remove themselves TO the land of the better than thou, but it must not be as good as it has been discribed because there is a growing number of licence holders returning to the land of the lowly CBer.
Well whatever,,,stay where you belong and there shouldn't be a problem.
My Opinion
The Peddler |
bruce
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 9:14 pm: |
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Peddler
Let me be one of these " better than thou HAMS" for a min First your using good reasoning to stay off the ham bands bootleging is just not smart.
You say that we ( as hams) should respect for frequencys legal or not but the only frequencys that belong to cbers are the 40 channles the others belong to someone else and you are not respecting THEIR rights are you? As for repulsive its your band at least 29.6 to 27.4 are and how you use it is again your call. Now for many years i have every morning used CH 20 to talk to a almost 80 year old friend who beside being blown out of the water a number of times in WW2 spent over 30 years as a fireman and packed more into his life than i could ever hope to do but in 20 years of tring he just cant get a license and he has tried many times. So we use CB and do it with 4 watts at just past 6am 5 days a week. See i dont disagree with you REALY i have a lot of good friends who ARE cbers .... i bet some even have linars and run on freebanders frequencys but i dont care. As for stay where you belong hummm last i checked i still had a right to at least ch 1 to 40 ( and don't mater if im a ham or not) O'Well just MY opinion
bruce |
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